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    As Messianic Evangelicals we are fully committed to all emet (truth), both spiritual (invisible) and scientific (visible), for which Elohim (God) has given us two records - the Bible and the Universe, respectively.

    To do good theology and good science (as opposed to the modern politicised version which we shall call 'scientism') requires sound rules of scriptural exegesis and a universally agreed scientific methodology, respectively. When these rules are diligently followed, no disagreement is found between spirituality and science, as should be expected of an internally consistent creation.

    The questions this website is asking are as follows:

    • 1. Is the modern teaching that the earth is flat and not a globe true or are the claims being made simply based on bad Bible exegesis and bad science?
    • 2. Is there a conspiracy going on to fool the whole world or just Christians and Messianics? and
    • 3. Is this controversy a matter of salvation?

    We shall answer the first two questions in the articles below. To answer the last question immediately, yes, it can be a matter of salvation - to the person you are witnessing to even if it may not be to you, the Christian/Messianic 'Flat-earther'. If you have successfully witnessed of Messiah to someone and then insist the earth is flat, there is a strong chance they will reject your testimony because they are better scientists than you are. If your ignorance causes them to walk away from Messiah, then their blood is on your hands. You will, in addition, be contributing to the bad reputation of fellow believers and of Yah'shua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) Himself. Worse, lies tend to attract more lies and cause spiritual distortion so there is a reason why we actively minister to flat-earthers who are Bible-believers. We don't want them walking in darkness. This, then, is the reason we have devoted so much effort to this flat earth website.

    In a scientific age, where science is taught at school everywhere, there is no longer any excuse for believers to be scientifically illiterate. True Science (as opposed to 'Scientism') is a branch of emet (truth) in the observable, material dimension, because true (classical) science deals with objective reality. Elohim's (God's) name, Yahweh, may be translated 'The Ultimate Reality'. So reality is vitally important.

    Furthermore, the human mind was designed by the Creator to compehend the external world that presents itself to us, upon which the scientific method rests. The totality of our sense experiences can therefore be ordered. Thus emet (truth) itself is revealed in some of the propositions of science but also in the representations of ordinary experience. Thus many of the representations of our experience are true once we have excluded errors, illusions, hallucinations and outright lies. The elimination of all lies ought to be a passion of true believers.

    The purest form of emet (truth) is also the simplest. For example, an eclipse of the sun is caused by the moon passing in front of it. Since this is impossible in the Flat Earth model, its proponents are forced to invent an 'extra', 'invisible' moon which has never been observed (and never can be) to explain the phenomenon. The fact that an invisible object cannot cast a shadow aside, the simpler explanation turns out to be the true one. 'Occam's razor', or the Law of Parsimony, states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected, as it is almost always the emet (truth). Flat-Earthism is attrociously top-heavy with assumptions.

    Flat-Earthers are expert cherry-pickers of facts and have, as yet, no purely scientific system. They ignore the three critical and essential elements in any kind of scientific reporting:

    • 1. Material facts;
    • 2. Faithful and competent observations (linking acts); and
    • 3. Accurately used words (representations) to report events.

    If these three are in agreement relative to one another, then the narrative is true of the facts reported. To be true, all that is necessary is that the facts deliver all the narrative claims, and that the narrative claims nothing not delivered by, or contained in, the material facts. Thus each element contains, and is contained, by the others such that if one of the elements is fully known, the other two are fully known also.

    On this website you will find numerous experiments that anybody can do and properly verify. Whatever 'evidence' flat-earthers may provide in support of their model, to be truly scientific, they must incorporate the findings of these scientifically repeatable experiments in their world view. This they almost always refuse to do because it contradicts their world view. Rarely do you find scientifically honest flat-earthers. There are one or two exceptions who, whilst still rejecting the global earth, have also understood, correctly using the scientific method, that the current flat-earth models are scientific nonsense. They don't know what the earth is yet - eventually they will do the proper science and rediscover what man has known for three millennia. In the meantime they have been ostracised by most pizza-disc flat-earthers who view them much in the same way as evolutionists view scientific creationists.

    Because nearly all flat-earthers are not scientists or have only a very basic level of scientific knowledge, they refuse to follow any kind of overall scientific method. They have no system, with data selected in an ad hoc manner which they use to bolster their claims. As they are not really interested in science as emet (truth) for itself (i.e. they are not passionate scientists), but are trying to use it to defend a pre-conceived view based either on poor Scripture exegesis or the claims of charatans and their dupes, it may with some justification be claimed that they are not always really in pursuit of emet (truth) for its own sake. A true scientist follows the data wherever it may lead him, and whilst (alas) this is becoming increasingly rare in the modern scientific community, there is ever a huge body of rigorously tested (and proven) data which has established beyond all reasonable doubt that the earth is a globe orbiting the sun and is itself orbited by the moon.

    (Sadly, in the 21st century at least, the government hires scientists to support its policies, industry hires them to support its business, and universities hire them to bring in grants that are handed out to support government policies and industry practice. This is the origin of modern Scientism).

    Unlike this author, who is an Oxford University-trained Biochemist with a Masters Degree in Science as well as being qualified in Systems Analysis & Design, most flat-earthers are not scientists and understand little of science's methodology. Many, if not most, of them suffer from two problems:

    • 1. Dyscalculia which is the inability to visualise geometric structures in ones head and are unable to think or understand things in 3-dimensions; and
    • 2. The tendency to grossly over-rate their own abilities, a phenomenon known as the Dunning-Kruger Effect, that leads them to believe they know more than university-level and professional mathematicians and physicists when in practical terms they have a scientific comprehension not usually higher than the seventh grade at school.

    Because they mostly think in only two dimensions (perhaps a reason why flat-earthism appeals to many of them) and do not have scientific training, they tend to uncritically accept factoids churned out by the online flat-earth community without attempting to do the science of reconciling it with the vast corpus of authentic scientific knowledge amassed over the last 3,000 years. Many of them even go so far as to reject all science. Accordingly, flat-earthism is easily dismissed as a non-scientific superstition. It's a quasi-religion with fundamentalist undertones, a truism born out by the kind of psychological problems many of them have when their world view is overturned. After having any lengthy contact with them, it soon becomes apparent that they typically suffer from:

    • 1. Confirmation bias; and
    • 2. Attention withdrawal.

    If you are willing to invest the time to acquire some scientific skills and examine all the data, you will be in no doubt as to what reality actually is, and thereby be in a strong position to remove all the fictions and errors that swamp flat-earth 'thinking'. Science, fortunately, thrives on the biblical principle of non-contradiction and seeks emet (truth) in every aspect and part of the universe. It aims to test hypotheses to see which ones can stand up under scrutiny. It requires publication of results so that they may be examined critically and repeated, not by literary types who boast of their own inconsistencies, but by persons of integrity seeking to know which representations (which hypotheses and theories) are consistent with observable facts and which are not.

    Finally, let us dispose of three items:

    • 1. The evolution red-herring as used by many Christian/Messianic flat-earthers in an attempt to discredit true science. The Darwinian evolutionary hypothesis is not science but unsubstantiated (and unstubstantiatable) philosophy that cannot be subjeced to the classical scientific method, the claims of modern scientism not withstanding. It is a part of the religion of atheism. This particular webpage is not, in any case, about origins or cosmology (which you can learn more about here) but about astronomy and mathematics;

    • 2. NASA Conspiracies, falsified Moon and Mars Landing, etc.. The jury is out as to whether NASA and other space agencies have falsified information concerning their various space missions, along with their reasons for doing so. Whatever NASA may, or may not, have done does not invalidate the scientifically proven and repeatable observations about the spherical nature of our world. There is no doubt that some of the material released by NASA has been falsified or obscured, for political or other reasons presently unknown. The thesis that man may never have been to the moon because of inadequate technology, in order to beat the Soviets in the 'space race' for political and propaganda purposes, is, if true, a monumental deception but is separate from the question about the earth's sphericity or flatness. (Personally I am in no doubt that we have been to the moon as the equipment left by earth's first human visitors is still observable there.) It is important that these issues be kept apart so as not to confuse matters. The truth of the earth's sphericity was established before NASA and CGI technology came into being and can be established without recourse to NASA's materials; and

    • 3. UFOs, aliens, etc.. The fact that extra-terrestrial life and alien spacecraft are almost certainly a pure fiction but rather an inter-dimensional phenomenon linked to the demonic realm (secret human technology notwithstanding), does not mean that those believers still caught up in this delusion are simultaneously delusional about the reality of this earth (to flat-earthers, its non-spherical form). Flat-earthers have been known to lump all three of these issues together with a round earth and assume they are in some way one-and-the-same thing. They are not. One proven conspiracy does not validate all others so it is highly dishonest of flat-earthers when they insist that they are all inseparably connected, even if they are so only in their own minds.

    Finally, the retort made by flat-earth believers that the earth is flat 'because the Bible says so' reflects a common failure to understand the nature of ancient literature and literary genres. Scripture speaks in the language of appearance, the language of observation, not modern science. The Bible also says that the world has "four corners" (Rev.7:1; 20:8) which ought to force literalist flat-earthers to insist the world is square. A few do, incorporating the references to the earth being a "circle" (Is.40:22), and have proposed the earth consists of a flattened cube with a concave area:

    To be logically consistent, flat-earthers ought to insist on this model. They do not, obviously, because such a model is even more preposterous scientifically than a purely disc-shaped earth. And yet they insist on using the same faulty exegetical tools as square flat-earthers, a reason why good theology is also essential. That the earth is represented as 'square' is a well known expression that is used both of literal four-cornered items like cloaks (Dt.22:12) and buildings (Job 1:19) as well as in a figurative sense as of a nation (Ezek.7:2). And as all geographers know, Israel never had four literal 'corners' even though Isaiah says that Yahweh will "gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth" (Isa 11:12, NKJV). The expression simply means the full geographical extent of the nation or planet.

    Most Bible students are not even aware that 'corners' can also be translated 'quarters' or 'quadrants' (Heb. kanaf, Gk. gonia), which is the more precise meaning and is scientifically accurate too. Scripture even says that a man's head has four corners, or more accurately, four quadrants (Lev.19:27). No flat-earther has ever claimed that humans were flat-heads (though some of their more ungenerous critics might try to apply the designation to them). The division of all geography into four quadrants (northeast, northwest, southwest and southeast), with the 'origin of coordinates' at the location of the observer, is standard practice in all surveying and navigation. In fact, the Greek word gonia literally means angle and provides the suffix in English words like polygon, hexagon, etc.. The "four angles" of the earth means simply the four directions. To take this obvious meaning out of the phrase and distort it into meaning a square earth is inexcusable special pleading.

    But if you really want to be pedantic and insist the Bible be literal at this point, you can actually (in this case) have your way (sort of), even though this has nothing to do with the meaning of the 'four corners' verses in the Bible. The earth does, in fact, have four protuberances that disrupt the normal curvilinear shape of the geoid (the actual 'figure of the earth' is not precisely spherical, but is what is called an oblate spheroid, slightly bulging at the equator and flattened at the poles, responding to the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation). These four protruberances on the geoid have been located at 55°N, 10°W (near Ireland), 50°S, 48°E (near South Africa), 15°N, 140°E (near the Philippines) and 18°S, 80°W (near Peru). So, yes, the earth does literally have 'four corners' (for what it's worth).

    The clear meaning of the biblical expression 'four corners' is that of all parts of the earth - the four directions, the four quadrants, four angles or four quarters. Today we still use the picturesque expression, 'to the four corners of the earth' to mean 'to the uttermost parts of the earth', the way it was intended to be understood by the Bible.

    If we are going to be literal as flat-earthers insist, then we must also maintain that the square earth rests on four literal pillars too or on foundations supporting the four edges (1 Sam.2:8; Job 9:6; Ps.75:3). Again, this is a figurative analogy, common in ancient Middle Eastern literature, and refers to the moral support or spiritual foundation of a doctrine or an institution. We use the same kind of expression still when we refer to an upright person as a 'pillar of society'. In such passages using this expression, it is to be clearly understood that Yahweh sets His created world upon "pillars" (literally 'firm summits') belonging to Himself, and thus impregnable, so in the same way He will give the same sure strength to His coming King Messiah (1 Sam.2:8-10). Thus the "pillars of the earth" refer exclusively to the divine strength of Elohim (God) Himself as He is "upholding all things by the word of His power" (Heb.1:3, KJV).

    If you want to insist on a literal meaning, however, you would be justified in claiming that the earth's continental surfaces are supported by great mountainous roots extending deep below the surface. In this sense - as well as in the figurative sense - the term is essentially synonymous with "foundations of the earth" (2 Sam.22:16; Job 38:4,6; Ps.18:15; 82:5; 102:25; 104:5; Prov.8:29; Is.24:18; 40:21; 51:13,16; Jer.31:37; Mic.6:2; Zech.12:1; Heb.1:10 with the parallel "foundation of the world" in Mt.13:35; 25:34; Lk.11:50; Jn.17:24; Eph.1:4; Heb.4:3; 9:26; 1 Pet.1:20; Rev.13:8; 17:8, which are purely figurative).

    The question of the earth's "circle" (Is.40:22; also Prov.8:27) is addressed fully in the article, Flat-Earth: Problems of Perception. In brief, the Hebrew chuwg may be rendered as either 'circle' or 'sphere' since this was the only word in Hebrew available for both (closely related) concepts in much the same way we, in English, have a limited number of nouns to describe frozen preciptation (snow, sleet, etc.) whereas in Finnish there are 58 different words (40, if you exclude dialects). Sometimes words double up to have multiple meanings in languages (e.g. in Norwegian, gift can either mean 'married' or 'poison') and this is certainly true in Hebrew which has a limited vocabulary. A sphere is simply the figure formed by a circle turning about its diameter. So there is a 50:50 chance that the Christian flat-earther's key passage could be either 'circle' or 'sphere'.

    Please begin with the Flat-Earth Articles and then move on and do the science. The Three Simple Proofs for Amateur Scientists with a Basic High School Education below ought to be enough to convince scientifically literate and honest flat-earthers willing to let the facts guide them and not a pre-conceived doctrine. If your science is a little rusty and you would like to polish it up, then we also recommend the book by Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Biblical Basis of Modern Science (Master Books, Green Forest, AR: 2010 edition).

    In my experience working with flat-earthers, there is much denial of the facts - scientific and theological - which do not 'fit' with their world-view. Such inevitably leads to cognitive dissonance or a denial of reality in spite of the facts. This is a destabilising force that no believer needs and, as mentioned, will both impair his gospel witness and cumulatively undermine his own mental, emotional and spiritual stability... and therefore credibility. Flat-earthism is, in the end, a fool's errand. It is a cynical (if not diabolical) hoax deliberately promoted to waste time and undermine true faith. It will not be long before commercial space travel will end the entire debate for good.

    So if you are a flat-earther, undecided or have been confused by the flat-earth propaganda in the media, you are invited to carefully study this website. If, after the business has been finally exposed and you would like help readjusting to reality, and if you are a Christian/Messianic wondering what the Bible actually teaches, the theologians and scientists amongt us are more than ready to help you make the adjustments. Please feel free to contact us.

    (31 October 2017; updated 1 December 2018)


    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" (Martin Luther King, Jr.)

    Mike Winger: Refuting Those 'Flat Earth Bible Verses': You Should Have Checked the Context

    A. Flat-Earth Articles
    1. Flat Earth: I. Fact or Fiction (Art)
    2. Flat Earth: II. Problems of Perception (Art)
    3. The Total Eclipsing: Insanity's Grip on Western Man (Art)
    4. Is the Earth Literally Fixed and Stationary? (FAQ)
    5. Rising of the Sun and Flat Earth (FAQ)
    6. B. Flat-Earthism (Art)
    7. Flat Earth Hippodrome: Is the Messiah Living on the Dome? (FAQ)
    8. Ultimate Challenge: Questions Flat-Earthers are Afraid to Answer (Art)
    9. Heliocentrism: Why Educated People Accept the Theory (Art)
    Also see the Science and Atheism Pages

    Key: Art=Article | FAQ=Frequently Asked Question | Sc=Science | St=Sermonette | Occ=Occult | OB=Olive Branch | PCM=Patriarchal Christian Marriage | NCCM=New Covenant Christian Ministries | Sab=Sabbath | Sal=Salvation | 5Com=Five Commissions | AI=Apostolic Interviews | HO=Holy Order

    B. Verifiable Scientific Facts & Experiments You Can Do
    Series I
    1. Experiment 1: The Constellation of Octans
    2. Experiment 2: Night and Day Terminator
    3. Experiment 3a: Measuring Surface Distances
    4. Experiment 3b: Measuing Longitude Line Separation
    5. Experiment 4: Measuring Altitude
    6. Experiment 5. Lunar Eclipses
    7. Experiment 6. Sunset and the Equinoxes
    8. Experiment 7. Star Paths from the Northern Hemisphere
    9. Experiment 8. The Southern Summer Solstice
    10. Experiment 9. Physics of Orbital Mechanics
    11. Experiment 10. Flat Earth Sun Visibility Errors
    12. Experiment 11. Tracking Polaris and sigma-Octantis
    13. Experiment 12. Sunset Geometry
    14. Experiment 13. Surface Observations of the Moon
    15. Experiment 14. The Horizon
    16. Experiment 15. Angles of Sunrise and Sunset
    17. Experiment 16. Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn
    18. Experiment 17. Illumination of Spheres
    19. Experiment 18. Antarctica
    20. Experiment 19. Sunset Scene Phenomena
    21. Experiment 20. Location by Lattitude and Longitude
    22. Experiment 21. Mauna Kia, Hawaii
    23. Experiment 22. Equator and Polar Axis
    24. Experiment 23. Rising and Setting Motions of the Sun and Lunar Path
    25. Experiment 24. Highest and Lowest Sun Angles
    26. Experiment 25. Sun Size Constancy
    27. Experiment 26. Temperature Anomalies in Flat Earth
    28. Experiment 27. Crepuscular Rays
    29. Experiment 28. Apparent and Real Sun Distances
    30. Experiment 29. Stellar Motion in Arctic Winters
    31. Experiment 30. NASA Photograph Compilations
    Series II
    1. Experiment 1a. Rocket Propulsion and Newton's Third Law
    2. Experiment 1b. Rocket Propulsion and Trajectories
    3. Experiment 1c. Rocket Arcs in Practice
    4. Experiment 2. Sun Through Clouds From Plane
    5. Experiment 3. Locating Polaris
    6. Experiment 4. Reflections and Hotspots
    7. Experiment 5a. Oahu Horizon
    8. Experiment 5b. Blunders in Paradise
    9. Experiment 6. How Fast are We Spinning?
    10. Experiment 7. Oblate or Pear-Shaped Earth?
    11. Experiment 8. Why the Equator is the Hottest Lattitude
    12. Experiment 9. Deceptive Sunset Demonstration by Flat-Earthers
    13. Experiment 10. Over the Curve
    14. Experiment 11. Sun Angle and Heat
    15. Experiment 12. Satellite Visibility
    16. Experiment 13. How Much Tilt Should We See?
    17. Experiment 14. Flat Earth Horizon Magnification Nonsense
    18. Experiment 15a. Flat Earth Deception - Toronto Part I
    19. Experiment 15b. Flat Earth Deception - Toronto Part II
    20. Experiment 16. How Far Away is the Light Source?
    21. Experiment 17. Earth Curvature Visibility
    22. Experiment 18. St.Clair Ship Comparison
    23. Experiment 19. Red Ship, Flat Earth?
    24. Experiment 20a. Moon Craters and Shadows I
    25. Experiment 20b. Moon Craters and Shadows II
    26. Experiment 21. Flat Earth Measurements (in German)
    27. Experiment 22. Same Side of the Moon in North and South America
    28. Experiment 23a. Eight Inch Per Mile Curvature Phenomenon I
    29. Experiment 23b. Eight Inch Per Mile Curvature Phenomenon II - Surveying
    30. Experiment 23c. Eight Inch Per Mile Curvature Phenomenon III
    30. Experiment 24a. Moon Proves That the Earth is Not Flat
    31. Experiment 24b. Setting Sun Proves That the Earth is Not Flat
    32. Experiment 25. False Distances When You Reverse the Flat-Earth
    33. Experiment 26. Illumination Problems & Flatearther Squabbles - See video

    Three Simple Proofs for Amateur Scientists
    with a Basic High School Education
    Courtesy of www.flatearthdeception.com

    See extracts and order this important book

    C. Recommended Websites & Articles by Others
    1. Flat Earth Debunked (Website)
    2. Flat Earth Deception (Website)
    3. Flat Earth Psy Op is the Real Conspiracy (Sean Caiside) - lots of links
    4. 10 Absurd Claims of Modern Flat Earth Conspiracy Theorists (Eli Nixon)
    5. Proof The Flat-Earth is Not Biblical...And is Nothing But a Delusion
    6. Wolfie 6020 YouTube Presentations
    7. Voysov Reason Flat Earth Videos (but atheistic and evolutionistic)
    8. A Flat Earth, and Other Nonsense (Robert Carter & Jonathan Sarfati)
    9. The Flat Earth Myth (Jonathan Sarfati)
    10. Debunking Flat Earth Misconceptions (Website)
    11. 100 Proofs that the Earth is a Globe (Book/Website)

    An excellent, well illustrated website giving short answers to typical flat-earth objections

    Dear Flat-Earth Friend,

    I don't debate or argue with flat-earthers any more for a number of reasons which I would like to explain.

    First, floodlighting water-droplets of supposed flat-earth evidence here and there and expecting me to address these when there is an OCEAN of evidence decimating flat-earthism is not my idea of well-spent time. I have noticed time and time again that when flat-earthers are proved wrong, they almost never admit they have made a mistake but simply rummage around for something else to switch the spotlight to. They prove by their actions that they are more interested in defending, at all costs, a pre-conceived doctrine (as a very zealous religious person would) even when there is no defense any longer. This is called INDOCTRINATION and you cannot reason with the willfully indoctrinated.

    It's the same approach I have towards religious Calvinists, Antinomians and others who build their theological cases around a small handful of scriptures when the vast bulk of the Bible actually contradicts their beliefs. Their loyalties are invariably to a denominational Tribe rather than to truth or in the background there is some other axe they are in reality grinding, a personal issue with someone or something. It's the same with atheists.

    Those who want to know the truth and seriously examine the evidence systematically that might refute their belief system I am happy to invest time with but if their mind is made up and they're simply out to score brownie points here and there just don't interest me. For me it's now a matter of stewardship of time and health. I have to prioretise what I do in the public arena.

    Ultimately a flat-earther's attitude to his belief system is not, in any case, evidence-based. He is not at all interested in genuine science, allowing himself to go where the evidence ultimately leads, so his approach is not, in my view, honest. He only uses science selectively - on an ad hoc basis - when it suits him. Since the reality of our PHYSICAL universe is a matter of science, for which we have mountains of evidence accumulated over millennia, there is no longer any justification for superstition. There are no longer any excuses for getting the basics wrong. Physical reality is what it indisputably is.

    I have always been prepared to be proven wrong. Indeed, the many changes I have made in my belief system over the years is not not only evidence of that but such has cost me dearly. I don't take truth lightly. Had Flat-Earthism proven itself true, I would have defended it to the end hand-in-hand with the most die-hard zealot flat-earther. As a scientist I have done so with 'evolution' and other myths.

    Flat-earther resistance to scientific truth can only be explained psychologically or spiritually. What they are maintaining is totally absurd, and the more absurd it becomes, the more they dig their heels in. And the fact that there ARE many conspiracies that are real enough doesn't mean that ALL conspiracy claims are true. Some are plainly not, and flat-earthism is one of them. Flat-earthism is illogical in the extreme and is contrary to plain reality - to the overwelming evidence. The glut of knowledge with which in our time and age we have been spoiled with definitely - without any margin for error - proves it false. You might as well believe that Lewis Carrol's Alice in the Looking Glass is a science text book as believe we live on a damp earthenware pizza with an ice-cream rim in a snow dome.

    My hands are presently pretty full with personal and family health issues but I have spent many hundreds of hours presenting on my website and in my Science social groups what I consider to be thorough expositions of why I believe what I do, supplying tons of materials to research for the honest seeker. I feel I have done my duty and have answered all reasonable questions on the subject. There are other authors who go into even greater detail than I do and I point my readers to them, both atheists and Christians alike, because this is not a matter of religion but of observation.

    You can take an animal to the trough but you can't make him feed at it if he doesn't want to. I have thoroughly examined the flat-earth case for many years and there is about as much actual evidence for it as there is for evolution, hollow earth, Valhalla, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. I'm sorry to be blunt, but that's the truth. So that's where I stand.

    If you are not willing to honestly research the evidence AGAINST flat-earth, I can't help you, nor anyone else for that matter, and you must be prepared to walk in the delusion you have chosen.

    Agree to disagree, especially if you are a Christian/Messianic, and move on. But I will not examine the odd water-logged pencil shaving dug up from a compost heap to prove pencils are all cubes that spontaneously generate when I can go to the pencil factory and see pencils actually being made for myself for what they are.

    Blessings,
    CCMW
    13 January 2020

    "When ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise"

    Flat-earthers (particular Christian flat-earthers) get very upset with me when I come against them so forcefully. I will now explain briefly why I do: they are impeding the work of evangelism by promoting a lie.

    I have noticed that today the vast majority of those non-Christians who started YouTube channels exposing flat-earth as non-scientific, after becoming buoyed up with success (because it is so easy to debunk flat-earth) have since gone on to attack creationism as unscientific too, promoting evolutionism, naturalism and atheism. Their arrogance grew as a result of making the 'logical' (as they and their trusting supporters supposed) transition. They have got a free and easy ride on the back of flat-earth stupidity which has launched them into attacking the Gospel itself. Flat-earthers must bear the responsibility for enabling them.

    I do not go to plumbers for advice on nuclear reactors, nor do I go to nuclear scientists for advice on plumbing. Each is an expert in his/her field and we should respect that expertise. The physical reality of the universe is the preserve of scientists and they should be respected for that. They do science far better than non-scientists like flat-earthers. Matters of theology belong to the expertise of theologians which includes origins and cosmology because science cannot investigate these things in any scientific sort of way. They can only philosophise. Their expertise ends at what is observable.

    Flat-earthism is a religious phenomenon, like evolutionism, and should be treated as such. Members of the flat-earth community are (and I'm sorry if this offends anyone in it) scientifically illiterate ignoramuses who are giving Christ, Christians, and Christianity a bad name. If I were an unbeliever confronted by a Christian flat-earther it would put me off investigating Christianity just as I would not trust myself to do a plumbing job or repair a nuclear reactor.

    Commercial space travel has already begun to put an end to most flat-earth claims, leaving only a few glassy-eyed fanatics who are gullible and stupid enough to believe anything. To flat-earth Christians I say, Repent, and stick to your sphere of expertise (no pun intended) whether as postmen, farmers, yoga instructors, vacuum-cleaner salesmen, or whatever!

    25 February 2020 | Last updated 2 November 2021

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