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    End of Days

    Posted by Lev/Christopher on February 12, 2009 at 6:15pm
    in Patriarchinity

    One or two of you may know that Yaacov was expelled from another Ning Group called End of Days for his book, Patriarchinity for being a 'heretic'. I started a Forum there to try to find out why. This is what I wrote:


    Shalom b'Yah'shua!

    I was very disturbed to see that Yaacov has been banned from this network and have yet to see a refutation of his book which is thorough and carefully researched. It is easy to call someone a 'heretic' (anyone can do that to someone they don't agree with) but it is another thing to actually show from Scripture that an exegesis is heretical. As his book is circulated widely I should like to see a refutation.

    FYI though I disagree with a couple of details the bulk of it is, IMHO, right on the mark and cannot be refuted Scripturally. Yaacov may be a little blunt for some people's taste but I have always found him honest to a fault, having known him for some time. He reminds me of Nathaniel whom Yah'shua commended as one without guile.



    (I was also banned from Yah's Way, same issue but different story)
    Here are the emails i was able to salvage regarding EOD_


    Jan 20, 2009
    Rabbi Ian Kalev Michaels has sent you a message on END OF DAYS!

    My Dear brother,

    Nava tells me you've been in touch with her about joining Rachel's Remnant and
    that you mentioned something about your "controversial" teachings as possibly
    being a reason for us not wanting you to join. Since I have quite a lot to say
    about who joins us, I told Nava I would answer you myself.
    Simply put, your teaching on "Patriarchinity" and The Ruach being the mother of
    Y'shua is not scriptural. No where do we see Him called "their" Son. In addition
    to this, never once is The Ruach referred to as a "she" but numerous times
    Y'shua Hims
    elf refers to The Ruach as "He." Like the view that Satan is the
    angry ex-wife of the Father, and other such interesting doctrines that have no
    basis in the Scriptures, this teaching is way out of bounds. I don't know where
    you got it, but it wasn't from YHWH.
    I believe that the Father may be calling you to teach, but you will have to let
    go of somethings, repent of some bad doctrine and I would have to know that you
    are straight before I will ever allow you to teach on Rachel's Remnant.

    Please don't send me 10 pages in response to press your point or something. I
    simply won't read it if you do. I'm not trying to make an enemy out of you, but
    it is much too late in time to be messing around with bad doctrine.
    You're are a smart man. Sometimes that can be a down fall when the enemy takes a
    smart man into doctrines that are not sound. I believe this has happened to you!
    I have prayed for you and will continue to. I hope to see better day ahead with
    you as a friend.

    Sincerely,
    Rabbi Michaels

    *****
    [the reply that i next sent him was automatically deleted on EOD_ when i was banned, but basically it said that he needn't worry about me sending him 10 pages of email in response, since the series had already addressed his objections in previous
    chapters, and that the already written (but not yet edited ) upcoming chapters would be addressing any future objections. However, I did emphasize that the realization of the Ruach HaQodesh's femininity was one of the key things that drew me to the Nazarene movement, and so I could never betray Her after what She has done for me.]
    ****


    > > Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:37:40 +0000
    > > From: Rabbi Ian Kalev...
    > > To: Yaacov
    > >
    > > Far too much time has passed since I spoke to you and received your response
    concerning your unrelenting position on the doctrine of Patriarchinity, but no
    more will pass before something is settled by this Shabbat. A decision has been
    made and it is my job to inform you that you are to remove all your blogs
    concerning this false teaching immediately, otherwise you will be band from End
    Of Days on Erev Shabbat this week.
    > >
    > > Rabbi Michaels

    > From: Yaacov
    > To: Rabbi Ian Kalev...
    Ian,
    >
    > From your response it is20clear that you are fearful of what you do not or will
    not understand. Rather than reason together you have taken the coward's route
    and employed draconian measures. However, I will not compromise the truth
    because of your threats. If you have the need to exert your earthly power to
    boost your own confidence, then so be it. I am sad for you that you have made
    the wrong choice, perhaps someday your eyes will be opened to your error. I
    wish you and your family well,
    >
    > Shalom
    > Yaacov (Chris Schaefer)

    From:
    Rabbi Ian Kalev Michaels
    To Yaacov
    Date Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:20pm
    Rabbi Ian Kalev Michaels has sent you a message on END OF DAYS!

    The decision to ban you was a coll
    ective decision made by the leadership of this
    forum. It is the responsibility of those who hold to sound biblical teaching to
    protect others of heretics like yourself. I pray you will see the error of your
    ways. Your banning begins as soon as I send this note.

    From: Yaakov
    To: Rabbi Ian Kalev Michaels [sent on Nazarene Space]
    Date: 7 Feb 2009
    Ironically, the initial reason i was invited to end of days space was for the purpose of sharing the Patriarchinity series.

    It's hard to kick against the goads, isn't it.

    From ian michaels
    To: u33sun@aim.com
    Date Sat 7 Feb 2009 12:33 p.m.
    Dear Chris:

    I am requesting that you not send me anymore comments either in the way of emails to my personal email account, or to any ning networks that we share. If you are not able to control yourself, you leave me no recourse other than to report your harrassments to the network administrator(s).

    Rabbi Ian Kalev Michaels

    cc: Rav: Yaakov Ben Eliyah
    Rabbi Daniel Klutstein
    This just in: the following is apparently an email he is sent to EOD_ members (forwarded to me by a friend):
    From Ian Kalev Michaels:
    A message to all members of END OF DAYS!

    I appreciate the cooperation of the administrators in providing the reasons for
    the banning of Yaakov. There is good solid information for his banning and
    therefore he will remained banned. As co-creator and Head Administrator here I
    believe in hearing all sides so that I know that correct judgements are being
    made and that people that are being accused of actions have a fair chance though
    ultimatly will remain banned. However as head administrator I do expect the same
    respect in return that I offer all of you here on End of Days and when writing
    me to use a nicer tone in your words after all I can just as easily change
    administrators. Let not the word of the most high break us up but draw us
    together and I believe that a person who is to be banned should not recieve hate
    letters but be showed the errors in their ways, allowed a chance to apologize
    and change, and then if not followed through with said change then be banned. We
    at End of Days do not tollerate hate here as shown in our questions to=2
    0our
    members and if the rules cannot be followed then people will start getting
    banned.

    Visit END OF DAYS! at: http://endofdaysspace.ning.com

    Now we are 2:1 on the banning league scoreboard ;)


    From Yaacov
    To Alana Wilkerson
    Date: Tuesday Feb 10th

    Alana, thank you for getting back to me about this matter and for being willing to hear both sides.
    The Patriarchinity series is an exegetical study of the structure of Elohim.
    http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blog/list?user=6xdlsavjr05o

    Specifically, because of this series, a dear lady on EOD_ invited me to the network to share it with everyone, which i did. (The person who invited me is now fearful that Ian might ban her, so I'll only give her name at a later time, but only if it is OK with her.) During the Patriarchinity series' entire run, there were no critical comments or objections left on the comments section, only a few positive ones. Later on Ian's wife made a request for volunteers for leadership. Not wanting to shirk my duty, I responded, but wanted to make sure that we were on basically the same page doctrinally, so, in passing, I briefly mentioned the Patriarchinity blog. A few days later Ian contacted me and made the demand, basically, that
    i recant. I responded and explained that the reality of the Feminine Ruach HaQodesh is what drew me to the Netzarim/Nazarene movement in the first place, and so betraying Her would be out of the question. He labled me a "heretic" and then informed me that my ban was imminent lest I remove the Patriarchinity series. I explained that I would not compromise the truth no matter what the outcome. Then he sent an email notifying me of the ban (allegedly a "collective decision"). I later contacted him ONCE on Nazarene Space explaining how the Patriarchinity series was the reason that I was invited to EOD_ in the first place. He responded and said if I ever contact him again that he will make a harassment report.

    Thanks for your consideration in hearing both sides.
    Shalom,

    Yaacov (Chris Schaefer)

    > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:31:12 +0000
    > > From: Yaakov Wilkerson
    > > To: all members of End of Days
    > >
    > > A message to all members of END OF DAYS!
    > >
    > > the individual that called him self Yaacov, the guy with the bee on his
    nose, was told to repent of his doctrin of herasy, in wich he taught that the
    abba Yah and rauch ha'kadesh were man and wife and father and mother of Yahshua
    meshiach. he refused and was told to go untill he repented. this was the
    recomendation of me as a member of beit dein, the rabinical council over all
    E.O.D. NETWORKS. i.e. end of days and rachels remnant.
    > > do to the events in my life right now I failed to inform my wife of this
    action and she misunderstood. I am at fault and offer my repentance to you all.
    > > herasy and blasephemy will not be tollerated, and must not be tollerated.
    > > the end is to near for us to allow any one to lead outhers astray.
    > > my wife offers her appoligies as well.
    > > shalom, and may Yah bless you all.
    > > Rav: Yaakov


    From Yaacov (Chris Schaefer)
    To Yaakov Wilkerson
    Date: Feb 11

    Yaakov,

    You said "the guy with the bee on his nose,
    was told to repent of his doctrin of herasy, in wich he taught that the abba Yah
    and rauch ha'kadesh were man and wife ..." That is a false accusation, I have never taught that, you can check my blogs to see. I have always taught that the Abba and the Ruach HaQodesh are Divine Beings, NOT mere man and woman.
    The only thing you said about me that's true is this: "wich he taught that the abba Yah
    and rauch ha'kadesh were...father and mother of Yahshua meshiach." Yes, that I did teach that and backed it up with solid exegetical study and solid linguistic research. And it is neither blasphemy nor heresy.
    If you had any objections to those teachings, you should have come to me first about it, then we could have reasoned together, but instead you held animosity behind my back and worked treachery. I am very disappointed in your behavior. No matter though. After being in the Messianic movement for a couple of years, I can say with utmost confidence that the backbiting and backstabbing in the Messianic "community" is second to none-- got the church beat by a long shot. Nice going. Pat yourself on the back.

    Yaacov (Chris Schaefer)

    This is, sadly, an old story of being required to bow to a dogma (the masculinity of the RhQ) which, when carefully researched, has no basis in Scripture whatsoever. Bereans are apparently not welcome unless they first sign a thelogically-correct submission document.

    What's the bottom line in all of this? An unwillingness on the part of far too many to walk in Yah'shua's love and an unwillingness to give people space to work out their salvation in fear and trembling. There are people in this group with all sorts of whacky ideas from lunar sabbatarians to those who reject Paul and no doubt some unitarians. But it's ok so long as they respect our position here and understand that we work from a certain base. People come and go here with different theological positions and it is soon clear whether they have come to fellowship or simply to dictate/evangelise/criticise. We aren't a general debating forum here - there are plenty of other groups that do that - but have our beliefs and welcome those from different beliefs. We can still share the Master's love and concern with people no matter where they come from or what their theological views are provided they operate within the Apostles Creed which is "minimum doctrine" in our view. If people want to share their beliefs in a private blog that's fine by us provided they allow our people to respond and don't get uppety if we disagree with them. The truth is more than able to defend itself - we don't have to do Yahweh's work for Him.

    Finally, as again, we are dealing with maturity issues. A lot of believers and ministers haven't basically grown up. They reveal who they are by their behaviour and tend to draw other immature people around them. Nothing we can do about that. Sadly, most people tend only to learn by their wounds.

    Just know you have our full support with your book which is superb :)

    Here is the reply I got:

    Yaakov Ben Eliyah has sent you a message on END OF DAYS!

    dear brouther lev.
    I am sorry that you disagree with the findings of the beit din. the fact is that brouther Yaacov made a claim of not one G/d or echod but 3. scripture repeates time and again that there is only one G/d. he stated that the father YHWH and ruach ha'kadesh were the mail and femail parents of Yahshua. scripture states that there is only one elohim and there is none beside him.
    the fact that YHWH and ruach ha'kadesh are one being is provin in the gospils when in one it says that YHWH over shadowed marim and in anouthers says that ruach ha'kadesh overshadowed her. these were not 2 seperate events just one event by one being.
    scripture stats that YHWH is niether male nor female but referes to him in both masculin and femanin ways, this does not make him male or female, it makes him all things. He is el shadai the nurishing one =feminen. he is abba= masculen. he is what he is.
    any Jew knows that there is only one deity and to say outher wise is to open outhers up to a delusion. what the brouther done was hersesy but allso sadly it was blasphemy.
    I am sorry that you feel the earge to dispute this however you are free to your beliefs. Yaacov would have never been banned if he had not tried to mislead outhers with his beliefs. the same goes for anyone.
    dispute this if one wills. YHWH is our creater and ruach ha'kadesh is his spirit not a second deity. the mother of Yahshua is miriem and YHWH which is rauch ha'kadesh is his father.
    this sight is pastored (rabbied) by me and a pastor has the right to allow or disallow any teaching by any one.
    I earge you to not deal with this matter on this sight again.
    shalom in the love of meshiach
    Rav: Yaakov

    Oddly enough having said there would be no discussion on this matter, they have opened a discussion which (to date) has got this far:

    MAN, WOMEN, MOTHER AND FATHER OF THE MESSIAH?Posted by Yaakov Ben Eliyah on February 13, 2009 at 7:20pm in INVESTIGATION
    Back to INVESTIGATION Discussions
    .THE BEIT DIN MADE THE DECISSION TO BAN A MAN THAT WOULD NOT REPENT OF HIS TEACHING OF THE TITLE ABOVE.
    THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONTRAVERSY OVER THIS MATTER. HIS CLAIM IS THAT HASHEM ELOKIM IS THE FATHER OF MESHIACH WHICH IS TRUE. HE THEN CLAIMS THAT A SECOND DEITY CALLED THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HIS MOTHER.
    WE AS JEWS SEE THIS AS HERESY AND I PERSONALY SEE IT AS BLASPHEMY. THERE IS ONLY ONE G/D. SHEMA YISHRAEL ADONAI ELOHENU, ADONAI ECHOD. HIS FOLLOWERS HOWEVER ARE DRAGGING THE END OF DAYS SITE THROUGH THE MUD FOR THIS. SO LET'S PUT THIS TO A REST HERE AND NOW. WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? WHAT SCRITURE DO YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR POINT? EVERY ONE RESPOND AND MAKE SOME NOISE.
    RAV: YAAKOV

    Reply by Daniel Klutstein 8 hours ago
    I am in total agreement with Yaakov
    God is one person the Sechina is part of the father and the son and proceed from both see John
    We should reject any teaching which contradict the word
    God bless


    Reply by Alana Wilkerson 7 hours ago
    Send Message
    I think that the Beit Din had all right to ban Yaacov if they so chose because, it is there responsibility to protect and stand up for this site, the most high, and our beliefs. Little was it known though that they gave him a fair chance to repent of this heresy and remove his teachings, then he could stay. Infact if he would do that even now, they would unban him. Still yet before they could ban him he left of his own free will then was taken off. I say YES it is heresy teaching that the most high being the father together in a relationship with Rauch Ha'Kodesh as the Mother and Yashua as the son. Now ofcourse Yah is the Father and Yahshua is the son but Rauch Ha'Kodesh is by no means the mother and definatelly not female in nature. Yaakov saying that the Rauch Ha'Kodesh is Feminine is blasphemy. It does not even make any sense I mean we all know that the father and son are one in the same Yahshua was just the father in the flesh and filled with his holy spirit so to say that the Rauch Ha'Kodesh is feminine is to say that the spirit that dwelled in Yahshua which was of the Father was female. Like saying a woman trapped in a man's body and that is wrong. If Rauch Ha'Kodesh was feminine then I do not think that Yah would have sent a son but a daughter. There is another thing by saying that the Father is in an intimate relationship with Rauch Ha'Kodesh is not only separating them into two seperate beings saying that there is two seperate dieties but it is also saying that the immaculate conception of Mary with Yahshua is null and void. Because Mary was the mother of Yahshua not Rauch Ha'Kodesh. Besides that the Rauch Ha'Kodesh over shadowed Mary causing her to concieve Yahshua in one gospel and another says the Father did indicating that they are one and the same. Since male figures can only impregnate female figures it stands to reason that Rauch Ha'Kodesh is indeed masculine in nature. The reason he is sometimes refered to as El Shaddai is because he can be comforting like a mother but in the same token being all things he can be both a masculine figure and be loving as well. Just because he is loving, and comforting does not mean he is a female any man can have female type qualities and still be a man. I stand by the decision of the Beit Din which is ordained by Yah to have the ultimate decision over the E.O.D networks.


    In the Rachel's Remnant parallel site:
    VOTE: SHOULD HERETICAL TEACHINGS AND FALSE WRITINGS BE DELETED WITHOUT WARNING?Posted by Rav: Yaakov Ben Eliyah on February 13, 2009 at 9:44pm in Beit Din
    Back to Beit Din Discussions

    PLEASE ONLY RESPOND IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF BEIT DIN. I CALL OUT TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BEIT DIN COUNSEL. ON THIS ETERNALLY IMPORTANT SUBJECT. RECENTLY A HERETICAL TEACHING HAS CAUSED CONTRIVERSY ON END OF DAYS THE LEAD NETWORK. MYSELF AND SOME OF THE OTHER RABBI'S MADE THE DECISION TO BAN THE WRITER AND ERASE HIS WRITINGS AFTER HE REFUSED TO REPENT.

    SINCE THEN WE HAVE PLAUGED BY THE FOLLOWERS OF THIS HERETIC. I COME NOW TO THE COUNCEL MEMBERS OF THE BEIT DIN, BEING THE ORDAINED OF YAHWEH TO HAVE THE FINAL JUDICIAL WORD IN ALL MATTERS OF ALL OF THE E.O.D NETWORKS (I.E. END OF DAYS, RACHELS' REMNANT, CRADLE OF FAITH). I NEED YOUR VOTE IN THIS MATTER. SHOULD WE ERASE HERETICAL AND FALSE WRITINGS WITHOUT WARNING TO PROTECT ABBA YAH'S SHEEP, AND HIS HOLY WORD? AWAITING YOUR DECISION. RAV: YAAKOV BEN ELIYAH

    Reply by Rav: Yaakov Ben Eliyah 5 hours ago
    Send Message
    my vote is yes, they should be deleted without warning. however we should vote on how to deal with the teacher of the false doctrin as well. I allso sugest that after the wrighting is deleted that the wrighter should be notified of the action and then dealt with in the way that scripture dictates.
    Rav: Yaakov

    Reply by Minister D "Morah Nitza Bat Yisrael" 5 hours ago
    By 2 or 3 witnesses's, if after the warning to the person, and does not cease, then a vote should be held, and a decision handed to the person that has been given the warning, and after such has been delivered to the person{s}, and if he/she does not abide by the warning then a ban should be done.

    Have they the person {s} involved agreed to a/the agreement at sign up to join this group, if so then ban, they have already been warned.

    Shalom
    Nitza

    Reply by Daniel Klutstein 45 minutes ago
    Send Message
    Beloved
    I agree that heresy like making Yeshua a separate diety from the shechina needs to be strongly opposed
    The writer needs to be asked to remove thge teaching and a refutal should be given
    If the writer is not repentful, he should banned from the site, and a strong warning should be given to the memebers not to read his teachings
    God bless


    Seems there is a new spiritual illness about called Beit Dinitis. There are Beit Din's sprouting up everywhere now.

    Thanks for the encouragement Yahs Lamb.

    I agree with Yah's Lamb that you have been writing excelent pieces :) And I am so thankful that you are continueing to stand by the Truth with your writing, even though there are some who don't want to hear the Truth :) May Yah strengthen you brother when the enemy tries to stop you, and continue to bless you and lead you deeper and deeper into Him and His Ruach :)

    A Beit Din is the messianic equivalent of a 'Council of Elders' or 'Synod' of which the Sanhedrin was, in new Testament times, the national 'Council of Councils', as it were, and was responsible for making decisions on doctrine and practice. It is through such councils that the Talmud came into being. Though the desire for order and harmony is natural, unless such is approached under the proper anointing and comes directly from Yahweh Himself, the result is always dogma and fossilised customs. Though Messianic ministries are starting to do this everywhere now the result is always denominationalism.

    I do understand and accept that assembles, churches and ministries need to have statements of faith and rules for membership so that there is order. 'End of Days' and other groups, including our own, have that. The main problem occurs when you make conditions for fellowship so narrow that what you end up with is a clique. The revelation on the Elohim-head/Godhead which has come through this ministry is, admittedly, strong meat, so the reactions are not very surprising. However, the issue really is one of honesty. Yaacov/Chris has done a masterly work of scriptural exegesis, painstakingly detailed, and really I think it is this that is panicking people because they have no answer other than to throw around a few random scriptures that Yaacov has already microscopically analysed and explained.

    As I have said there are a lot of people in this Groups with beliefs which we believe are plain wrong but we are not intimidated or feel threatened by them because we rest secure in the truth that we have. All we ask of those who disagree with us are the plain signs of the presence of the Ruach haQodesh/Holy Spirit which are kindness, patience, long-suffering, humility, etc.. (One lunar sabbatarian recently mocked me because I would not respond to his insults and childish behaviour - he took an attitude of superiority which was so definitely not of the Ruach). The absence of these traits is the tell-tale sign that someone is operating out of the flesh rather than the Ruach. Yahweh is patient with such, and indeed with us all, for we have all walked - and are still walking - in differeent degrees of ignorance. It is the willingnesss to admit we are wrong when we find out that we are and remaining teachable that qualifies someone as a true searcher after truth. So that is the view we take here. This means that Catholics, Protestants, Arians, Lunar Sabbatarians, Ebionites, etc., are all welcome here so long as they witness the ethical fruits of the Ruach. We're all on the Way of the Master, some are more lost than others, but what unites us, I hope, is our hunger for truth, our passion for the Master's love, and our tolerance of each others weaknesses as we struggle to overcome them. What we do NOT want here are close-minded biggots who just want to fight, insult others, and prove they're right - what good would it be to be doctrinally correct in your head but to have a heart closed to love and compassion, for instance?

    So that is where we are coming from here. This is a home for everyone searching honestly after the truth who professes a heart-felt love of and belief in the Biblical Messiah. Do we have a system of belief and practice? Absolutely. But this group is not an Assembly or a Church (though it is run by one), it is a home, and you all are our guests, and I expect you to behave as you would want me to behave were I visiting with you - with courtesy, kindness, respect and concern for one another's welfare and wellbeing. You can be as open or anonymous as you like and we assume the best if you choose to be the latter (that you have good reason) - we don't expect profile pictures here, or demand that you sign a confession of faith to remain here (the profile questions are simply so that we and the membership can know where you're coming from and to so avoid misunderstandings).

    Peace!

    Yahs_Lamb said:
    Well personally, I think Bro. Yaacov has done a fantastic job in writing. He has gave me so much food for thought, and I have enjoyed reading his writings.

    BTW, what the heck is a Beit Din's ? Is there a cure for this, or should they just take a chill pill ?

    Reply by Yaacov on February 15, 2009 at 8:43am
    Thank you also Lev and Deborah. Really though, all the glory goes to YHWH. He allowed me to live in this geographic place where the Messianic scene consists of 3 basic groups: Binitarians, some group that denies the deity of Moshiach, and MJAA snobbery. The Binitarians live closest and Fossilizedcustoms.com was also helpful in my walk, and so those two groups were who were in mind as Scripture itself burst forth on this matter.

    As for EOD_ and other like-minded networks and groups, they are just the symptoms of missing a very important question: Do we desire to have the same kind of belief and praxis as the 1st and 2nd century Netzarim/Nazarenes or not? If we do, and we're honest with ourselves, then by necessity there eventually must be some acknowledgment of the Familial structure of Elohim. Patience is of course required.

    Maaseh Schlichim/Acts 19:2-6 is a good template for both sides go by.
    2 He [Shaul/Pallu] said to them, "Have you received the Ruach
    HaQodesh when you believed?" And they said to him, "We
    have not even heard whether there is any Ruach
    HaQodesh
    ".
    3 And he said to them, "Into what then were you
    immersed?" And they said, "Into Yochanan the Immerser's
    immersion."
    4 Then said Shaul, "Yochanan the Immerser truly immersed
    with the immersion of repentance, saying to the people, that
    they should believe on Him who should come after him,
    that is, on Moshiach Yeshua."
    5 When they heard this, they were immersed in the Name
    of the Master Yeshua.
    6 And when Shaul had laid his hands upon them, the
    Ruach HaQodesh came on them
    ; and they spoke with
    tongues, and prophesied.

    Four things we can learn from this passage:
    A. When they said that they never heard of the Ruach HaQodesh, Shaul/Pallu did not call them "heretics" and expel them till they repent. But instead, he found out where they were at, and then continued to present a fuller understanding.
    B. When Shaul/Pallu asked them if they'd recieved the Ruach HaQodesh, they did not call him a "pagan polytheist" and cast him out of their presence for indicating that there is another Supernatural Being in in conjunction with YHWH.
    C. When Shaul/Pallu laid his hand upon them for them to receive the Ruach HaQodesh they did not call him a "heretic" or "practicer of magic" and expel him away from their assembly.
    D. They did not limit themselves to the the religious establishment's limited understanding of Elohim.

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