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    FORMER CRITICS
    2. 'Gussurvival'

    'Gussurvival', though never a member of NCCG, was an active participant in our online MSN discussion groups, NCCG Cyber Community and Deliverance from Demons who got caught up in the whirlwind following the apostacy of Derek who became an atheist and voracious critic before returning to Yah'shua. 'Gussurvival' participated in critcisms of NCCG in Rumpler's hostile online group and anti-cult 'expert' Rick Ross' Forum, classified by a Wikipedia editor as 'unreliable' as source material on the groups he critiques [1]. After a long period of silence following his departure from our groups, 'Gussurvival' got in contact and asked for an email dialogue on the events which had transpired in which everything was freely and openly discussed between us and he finally realised that he had been deceived by the atheistic critics and their supporters.

    Finally, after another period of silence. 'Gussurvival' published a formal statement of apology on our MLT Reception Group on 7 October 2007, and gave permission to NCCG to reproduce this statement as we might deem fit. On that basis his apology (also archived) is reproduced here:

      "I am writing this for inclusion in the MLT general discussion section of the reception group.

      "Maybe two months prior to Dereck leaving this group I took offence at Pastor Chris Warren due to an incident in the forums. I had had some questions about priorities in his ministry,this is a historical issue with me.

      "Maybe six month sago I wrote to Pastor Warren requesting dialouge with him over the disruption to his ministry caused by some of us who left the online ministry. We have communicated as time has allowed and he graciously answered me, at length at times, the questions I had. In retrospect it would have been better for all had I kept still and asked him these prior to leaving. This is very clear,i am very sorry I did not.

      "One of the reasons I left was because of what I felt was a false dream I had myself, I stumbled and concluded much of what I had been learning from this ministry and elsewhere was false. The principles such as deliverance were sound, I knew that, but I felt I had taken a branch off the right path. When Derek left it gave me the courage to do what I had been thinking anyway,to leave. If this sounds weak then you are right to have such thoughts. God hates mixture. He prefers hot or cold. Derek is therefore a purer man than I, he decided and stuck to his commitment. My decsision, though that is a grand term, was a mixture of, well certainly not iron, maybe a mixture of plastic and clay. I personally like Derek and I daresay he will one day read this post. He has his journey to make in life, he always had time for me. I am not trying to sit on the fence. But this is my post, about being honest for once and standing by a decision, for once having some guts. This post is about me and my relationship to Pastor Warren and to God.

      "What I will say about Derek and this is all; it is possible that an issue on the old Reception Group site that was affecting me would not have come to light but to his work. I raised this in my conversations by email with Pastor Warren and I am satisfied from a point of view of my own feelings with his veiws on this. The person who was at fault has repented and in any case they are a lesser sinner than I in issues of DFDR (Deliverance from Demons Reception Group), of whom I am possibly the worst; because this mixture in my will.

      "I think there were some considerable stresses in the DFDR group. I have my ideas as to why they happened. I remember several of us seemed to be getting angry with one another toward the end.

      "In history those who deny their beliefs then recant are never popular. I have been in correspondance with Pastor Warren, like I said, for a while.

      Publically to the readers and members of this ministry and to Pastor Warren and his family I would like to apologise for the grief and pain I have caused you through being another who left your ministry and for not standing with you when you needed that. I would like to apologise for variuos things I have said, some of which got lost on other sites and for my part in the damage to your ministry and lives which is God's gift to you.

      "I would like to apologise to Almighty God for following my felsh and harming His work in this part of the Body of Christ. I don't care what conclusions others have, they are part of His Church and I sinned against them and thus against God. The Bible is very clear about all this kind of thing and I have sorely failed this test.

      "For my part I am glad that Pastor Warren and his family and minsitry have passed their test.

      "I belive the Third Wave prophecy was true. And we all went either back to were we started or moved higher up. Pastor Warren has moved higher up and will be blessed along with his family and ministry.

      "I don't come with any idea of switching sides and all that. It is quite clear that both parties have acted more honestly than I. This needs to be said not for reasons of self pity or false humility. Humility is nessesary in repenetance, and that is what this is, truth will get shouted from the rooftops. I seek to get right with my accusser before I arrive at court.

      "In all issues therefore with Pastor Chris Warrens ministry and my guilt against a Chrisitan man and his family, I am by this post repenting and declaring that I have no issues with them. They are a Christian ministry and part of the Body of Christ and have been in trial of faith. I was a member of one of their ministries and turned against them." [2]

    This brother has been freely forgiven by us, received into fellowship and continues to be a particpant in our main online discuission group.


    Endnotes

    [1] Milo in Counter Cult Organizations on User talk:Drumpler in Wikipedia (archived screen shots available): "1. They (counter-cult organizations) are not WP:V reliable sources. 2. They are openly POV biased against cults. 3. There's a long-standing LOGRTAC consensus against citing anti-cult exit counselor Rick Ross's personal essays (although his archive of mainstream news articles is extensively cited), so by extension of fairness that applies to other anti- and counter- organizations opposed to cults. (Please reply here if desired) Milo 04:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)".

    [2] This is the complete, original posting with minor spelling and punctuation corrections only.

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