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    Critique on “Bible studies and Analysis” which according to nccg_concern prove that Christopher C. Warren is a False Prophet, but what they actually prove is that nccg_concern goes out of his way to convert people to his anti-Warren propaganda



    [What follows is a small article written by nccg_concern and featuring in his “Are you a current member of NCCG” link. Nccg_concern’s writing is in black, and mine in green, como siempre.] 

    An important comment what you are about to read here:

    In this page, two things are being stressed by nccg_concern: That C.C. Warren is, according to the author, an extremely devious manipulator and that Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) does not exist. If C.C. Warren is a mind-controlling manipulator, why would he expose another set of mind-controllers? Wouldn’t it be in his best interest if they never existed? If one considers this and expands it, it becomes a little more apparent why nccg_concern has been so eager to pull down any SRA allegations.


    (Updated July 28, 2006) [OK, first of all, this page was not updated on July 28th. It appeared online around the 13th-14th of August. Now, what you’re about to read disgusted me so much that I found myself honestly in awe as to this author’s intentions. In the rest of the website, I found criticism as to the practices of NCCG, how horrible it is and all, and it seemed to me not-so-easy to prove that this nccg_concern guy actually hates C.C. Warren. It could be that nccg_concern only wanted to destroy someone else’s church, it could be that he had nothing better to do, it could be anything. After reading the following, I’m more and more convinced of his agenda. It’s odd how he would make so much work in item #5 of the index page to prove that C.C. Warren character-assassinates the people he doesn’t like. After reading the following, I really don’t see why people with glass houses throw the biggest stones. What impressed me most is in bold.]

    Hey NCCG Men:

    Chris treats single or divorcing women very differently than he does you. NCCG is an organization with two radically different sides. [And this is when it hits the fan:]

    Chris uses Yahoo Chat and MSN Messenger to communicate with women who originally came to him for spiritual guidance. Over a period of time ranging from a few months to years, he destroys them psychologically, using well-known psychological manipulation tactics. These tactics include (but are not limited to) unpredictable reward and punishment, extreme obedience demonstrations, confession of deepest secrets, hypnosis/dissociative mental states, induction of Multiple Personality Disorder, induction of dissociative disorders, and induction of False Recovered Memories (potentially of Satanic Ritual Abuse). He also lies to the women extensively during this process. An extreme degree of control is eventually achieved over the women through the use of these techniques, and their ability to think critically is suppressed. He manages the brainwashing of the women individually, using psychological manipulation tactics that are most effective on the particular woman. Additionally, they are groomed for sexual contact within the context of him and his polygamic wives in Hillringsberg. [Excuse me, DESTROYS women? Now that’s a new one. First time that this notion appears in this website. Is this the author’s own opinion, or did someone came and told him they were destroyed? My next question: how does someone get unpredictably punished through MSN Messenger? And why don’t they leave if they feel punished? Oh wait, right… because he has destroyed them psychologically. But isn’t the punishment the WAY he did that? What are the extreme obedience demonstrations? Does he make them pray 3 times a day? Could we have a testimony of what DOES rather than vague and general accusation? Because to a critical reader, that does not avail much.] 

    The techniques he is using are not new, and their use can only be deliberate.

    When Chris is successful, the result is women who are brainwashed, controllable, financially exploitable, and psychologically dependent upon him. Their ability to think clearly or deeply is damaged, and they suffer from delusions and paranoia. [So, there are women out there who have been successfully brainwashed and turned into poor little dependant creatures with and iron ball chained on their leg with the letters “NCCG” on it. Hmm… For real? I mean, I don’t doubt that anything is possible, but just because anything is possible, are people to be buried alive because there is a chance they’re serial killers? Because this is chances we’re talking about. There is no proof, not even glimpses of proof (like relating a specific event without names mentioned) to back all that up. It’s not a question really of what one would like to believe, because that is so easily manipulated. It’s more of a question of truth. Is C.C. Warren really that person? Because, if he’s not, the nccg_concern is doing a horrible job at informing the public and more or less is destroying another man’s life. Anonymously, of course.]

    He is doing this to women (age 18 - 40++) in an ongoing effort to get women to move to Hillringsberg and live in a sexually active polygamic relationship. [I know people who go out in bars at nights on an ongoing effort to get women to come with them at their house and develop a sexually active relationship, with a different woman each week.] The relationships are based upon the psychological unconditional surrender of the women to him through the use of undue influence as described earlier, and probably should not be considered consensual for this reason. [These men buy the women drinks (suggesting financial dependency and also in an effort to bend the resistances), and tell lies like “you are the prettiest girl in the room”. This, in my book, is undue influence.] The final moving to Hillringsberg actually does not happen in a number of cases, despite the brainwashing having been mostly successful; real-life has had a way of interfering with many of the plans made to-date. He spends a lot of time in internet chat psychologically destroying women in this way, and gets limited return on his investment due to a number of the plans falling through in the end (or being delayed for indefinite periods of time). [I have one word to say to this: TYPICAL. Please read the article “Hard Facts about SRA” and you will see the parallelism: First I tell you something to make you panic, then I give you hope: don’t worry, it’s either not happening at all or happens to very few people. The result has nothing to do with you being convinced about how many people this happens to, but about you being more or less mini-brainwashed to believe me that it’s HAPPENING or that it’s NOT happening. More on this on the analysis of the characters of nccg_concern and the deprogrammers. Typical technique among journalists, lawyers and people who like to brainwash in general. Just look at the news, and you will understand.]

    Women of child-bearing age are, and will be, having his children, but the trend so far has been for Chris' name to not appear as the father on the child's birth certificate. The father's name is left blank. This is a known practice among abusive polygamic groups. [And here’s the tragedy again.]

    Chris goes out of his way to not allow men like you, who read the www.nccg.org web site and participate in the message boards, to know what he is doing to these women. [At this point, I would like to ask nccg_concern to give us all information about every single date he has had in his life, with who, what “tricks” he used and if it was successful or not.] He pretends that the predatory and destructive behavior with women are personal family matters and will not address them to you. In some cases, you will not even be aware of the women's membership in NCCG because they use different message boards than you do, and may pass in and out of the ones that you do use using different accounts. [Excuse me, but why must C.C. Warren give every detail about his marital/sexual life to the members of the NCCG Cyber Community? If he denies to do so, is he a perverted polygamous monster? I’d like you to consider this: suppose you’re married, and you have caught yourself flirting with someone. Are you supposed to report this to your colleagues at work? Well, according to nccg_concern, if that is the case and you don’t report it, then you “go out of your way to not allow these men at work to know what you’re doing with your female acquaintances”. It can get even spicier: Imagine that someone in your office starts yelling that you psychologically abuse every woman you know but no one has ever found out because you “go out of your way to not allow your colleagues to find out”. I suggest nccg_concern should give this some thinking, as he is the one who will never be at the receiving end of such scrutiny as his identity is never revealed.]

    The long, rambling discussions in his weekly sermons, as well as the writing all over the NCCG web site, are part of a confusing and all-encompassing doctrine that assists with brainwashing the women, combined with what appears to be Chris' lifelong
    hypergraphia. If a man finds himself hooked on NCCG, it is possible that it may have been assisted by the man's suggestibility being increased due to the writing invoking a hypnotic state (yes, this happens). [!!!! What?! In other words: Don’t read a lot, don’t work your way through lengthy articles, or you’ll get hypnotised! After all the polygamy paranoia, this is so ridiculous that makes me wonder if it’s the same person who does all the complicated psychoanalysing that writes this nonsense. But you know, this happens too.]

    Chris has demonstrated traits consistent with being a pathological liar and psychopathy, such as those seen in 
    http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/cprofile.htm . [Always according to Nccg Concern, Ph.D.]

    Unfortunately, the information I have stated above would be difficult for you, as a man, to independently verify. Successfully impersonating a woman for the required period of time is a challenge, and you would need to be able to emulate a woman going through various stages of psychological influence and controllability. Men with no applied background in the psychology associated with undue influence may not be able to act the part well enough. [!! The author is suggesting that if you have nothing better to do, you should go and pretend to be a woman to a cult leader, pretend to fall for him and let him fall for you and supposedly brainwash you so that in the end you can find the truth about him and what’s he’s doing in his bed.]

    All of the information above is backed up by high-integrity source material that would stand up to scrutiny, even in court, but I cannot release most of this source material publically at this time due to privacy concerns. [Yeah yeah…]

    Lastly, I have not made this web site because I have nothing better to do. Think about it. [I’m sure that if he had something better to do, he would do it. I am nonetheless asking myself why did nccg_concern make this website. I am actually. I’m asking myself why did nccg_concern make this website? I’m trying to consider the possibility that he is honestly concerned. OK, let’s say he is… wouldn’t he have revealed his identity like all the other people who criticised NCCG? (none of them got murdered, by the way). Wouldn’t he have made a thorough research and not just wash? Wouldn’t he be honest about his facts and present them? For instance, in the Overview section where he relates the stages of “indoctrination”, it is proved by facts that these steps do not actually apply to any person associated with the group. I think the possibility that nccg_concern is honestly concerned is a far-fetched one, as much as he would like this to be shoved down my throat. It seems to me, rather, that he plainly and simply hates C.C. Warren’s guts. I mean, I converted one of his writings on prophecy to an MS Word document and it took up 30 pages (Hypergraphia? Maybe an attempt to hypnotise us? It happens, you know). Obviously, no one would bother so much if they had nothing better to do, that’s understandable. But because they HATE? Isn’t that at the very least BIASED?

    I can tell you that this new article disgusted me. Hating, accusing, dancing on another person’s grave, all that for what?]



    Pages about this site or this site's author:

    Likely email contact from "Z" - starting July 18, 2006

    Critique of nccg_concern’s reply to a “false prophecy and other false statements”

    Critique of “debunk2”

     

    Nccg_concern’s links

    What follows is a list of links that nccg_concern has in his website which focus primarily on the existence or non-existence of Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA), and secondarily on MPD/DID and the Theophostic ministry.

    All these links about SRA are found together in the Skeptic’s Dictionary entry for SRA as “further reading”. Coincidence? It seems highly likely that all the research the author did was to do a search in the Skeptic’s Dictionary on “satanic ritual abuse”, look at the links gathered there and post some of them as his own investigation product here. Specifically, items #1, #5 and #6 are directly from the “further reading” list and items #2 and #3 are links featured at the bottom of webpage #1. The latter is a “Religious Tolerance” website which is downright against the belief that SRA exists. Even if this wasn’t a product of a Skeptic’s Dictionary search, half of the links appear on the first page of Google when you are looking for “satanic ritual abuse”. It’s really obvious and quite probable that the author didn’t go far out of his way to dig up this information.

    Judging from this, one can easily imagine what sort of “in-depth research” nccg_concern has done in other areas also, like the NCCG main website or NCCG in general. Another matter is, are the links found in such a website as the Skeptic’s Dictionary (even this title indicates how biased the source is) enough to prove a point and/or to inform the public?]

    Links to other sites:

    Satanic Ritual Abuse

    A note to survivors of Satanic/Sadistic Ritual Abuse

    Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) & Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID)

    A Christian Journalist's report on Theophostic Prayer Ministry

    Chris wrote to Gustav Sjoholm that he wanted to sue me, but I don't care.
    Here is one example why. [The “example” is from the Rick Ross news webpage. Not exactly what I would call unbiased.]

    SRA articles:
    [Both of them are 14 years old. The first one is from a magazine.]

    The Hard Facts About Satanic Ritual Abuse

    Satanic Ritual Abuse - - A 1992 FBI Report


    [(!) Overall conclusion according to nccg_concern: Being hypnotised by reading a lot of material is much more likely than the existence of Satanic Ritual Abuse.]

     

    For the sake of balance, this is a list of links which strongly indicate that SRA does exist:

    Axroot's SRA Links Page

     

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