- It shows a history of both this unique username and yahoo email
address being used in both NCCG and non-NCCG internet correspondence. This
means that the email address is a real, primary email address for someone,
and demonstrates a historical consistency with this unique username (it is
not a recent, new invention).
- He is identified in text format as being physically located in
- The topics in the google references are consistent with my
understanding of this person's interests and what would be reasonable for
his demonstrated use of the internet.
- If nccg_concern is worried about his own personal safety, that must
be about the only personal safety he's worried about. Apparently, IF NCCG
can physically harm a person, Chad Zimmerman can take all the flak? That's
really considerate of nccg_concern. I honestly worry now about the folks
who supplied him with their own personal information. Protecting sources
doesn't seem to be nccg_concern's strong point judging from this single
event…
- UNLESS he knows Chad Z. personally and had more than 2 e-mails from
him, which would explain the ease with which they are published online. In
that case though, nccg_concern is lying.
- I assert that Christopher Warren's conspiracy theory about a group
of people or multiple groups researching NCCG at the encouragement of
"satanic covens" is just a fantasy. [Well, how does nccg_concern know? There COULD be
many people researching NCCG without him knowing. There is a place
elsewhere in this website where he insists over and over that he has done
it all by himself and that there is nobody else that criticises NCCG. I
don't know if this is some sort of coveted position for a person to be,
namely the ONLY (phoney) cult-watcher of a group, but even if it is, how
is it possible to know that other people are snooping into NCCG a lot and
just don't publish their findings? He asserts it… well. I'd rather not
count so much on this guys assertions.]
- I assert that the "prophecy" stated about someone
actively writing "profiles" for "probable" inclusion
on my web site could only have only
realistically referenced me and my nccg_concern web site due to the
whole concept of the mysterious "they" referenced in the
prophecy being a fantasy unintentionally triggered by my research efforts.
Additionally, this prophecy is a "false prophecy" due to it
incorrectly describing my recent activities and future intentions. [Eh… no. It apparently wasn't
referenced anyone in particular, and this was made clear more than once in
the NCCG Cyber Community. Nccg_concern, however, doesn't seem to take the
hint. As I see it, the one doing the fantasy here is the one who asserts
basing on false assumptions. I wonder if another site came up with these
profiles and was authored by another person, less cocky and more
scientific than nccg_concern. I'm pretty sure he'd fade away quickly, and
that would be kind of sad for him as he is effectively a self-appointed
king of his castle.]
- "They are writing detailed profiles"
- "are indeed going to a great deal of trouble"
- "They mean to publish a very detailed character profile of
each and every one of us...."
- "Z" cannot have been part of a widespread conspiracy
involving a mysterious "THEY" in which NCCG is being
exposed/persecuted, as "Z" did not even begin efforts to
"expose" NCCG despite a general desire to do so. The only
possible exception to this would be if "Z" lied about this in his email, which I judge as being
extremely unlikely in this context. [Why extremely unlikely in this context? I don't
understand where that came from and I would like some plausible
explanation. Assuming nccg_concern and Chad Z. didn't know each other from
earlier on… Why should anyone believe a person who has been literally
kicked out of an MSN polygamy group and who swore revenge for that? That
doesn't sound very stable to me as far as this information goes, so until
further information, I wouldn't so light-heartedly place my trust on this
guy. Nccg_concern JUDGED that it's extremely unlikely that "Z"
lies without any sort of proof that he's trustworthy. Well, unless they knew
each other from before?]
- A separate issue is the issue of the "prophecy", and this
information supports my assertion that the mysterious "THEY"
referenced in the prophecy is nothing more than a result of the
aforementioned fantasy conspiracy theory being circulated to NCCG members.
"Z" is one fewer people who this "prophecy"
could possibly reference, as his recent activities in no way match the
present tense sections of this "prophecy". [And because the activities he says
he has don't match the prophecy, that makes it all wrong? That's like
saying that if Jesus doesn't return in the next 10 years, He never will
and the book of Revelation is wrong. It wasn't even C.C. Warren who
received the revelation, but another member to whom nccg_concern seems to
show extraordinarily positive attention. So the "fantasy conspiracy
theory" isn't even C.C. Warren's... I feel like I'm trying to reason with
nonsense so I'll stop here.]
Comments on "Likely email contact from "Z""
[My comments in green, and in red is text quoted from other
authors. Bold stuff is mine.]
July 21, 2006
NCCG's leader, Christopher C. Warren, has repeatedly referenced a person
as "Z" who he states contributed to this "nccg_concern" web
site (in reality, no such person aided or authored any of the material on this
site). Statements to this effect were posted by Christopher Warren in his
"nccgcybercommunity" message board on a date/time noted by MSN as
June 5, 2006 4:25PM. The statements have been saved here for reference, and are
visible within the false.html
discussion, fifth item from the top. There may have been another earlier
statement to this effect by Chris Warren but I do not recall exactly where and
when it occurred.
[This is the full statement made by C.C. Warren
concerning "Z":
We also know that there is a group of people working
on his website, including the satanist 'Anna' (mentioned in the last post), a
man whom I will just call Z for now (we know who he is), a 'believer', who is
venting because his pride was upset when we threw him off a group for demeaning
women (he is an aspirant polygamist who was planning to 'buy' himself a second
wife from a Militia Group in the USA)
The person who shows up in this article fits the
description exactly. The funny thing is that nccg_concern makes it look like
his discovery and one not so easy to make. My only suspicion is whether that
e-mail contact from "Z" was actually voluntary.]
On July 18, 2006, which was well after the bulk of my research was
completed [not quite, about a +70% added in
the next couple of weeks] and the statements had
been made by Christopher Warren, I received what I believe was an email from the
aforementioned "Z".
I am making my source material regarding this contact and research of
the contact public, as there appear to be no privacy issues in doing this (if
this changes, the source material will be removed). [At no point below does "Z" say that nccg_concern can publish
this material online. There are strong accusations and very revealing personal
information included in these e-mails but that, for the first time, didn't seem
to be a problem for nccg_concern.]
The first email I received from "Z" was as follows:
|
X-Message-Status: n:0 |
I responded with some questions for him, and he replied on July 20,
2006, with this second email:
|
X-Message-Info:
LsUYwwHHNt3660MmjhEvYg2f34OAemlKtU9j2Z7TuGo= |
[As you see, everything matches with what C.C. Warren
describes. Namely,
"Z" is a "believer", Chad Z used
to be a part of the groups, so he would probably be a believer,
"Z" was thrown off a group, Chad Z was thrown off a group,
"Z" demeaned women according to C.C. Warren, Chad Z mentions that one
of the women in the group was offended by his behaviour,
"Z" is an "aspirant polygamist" and Chad Z was a member of
a polygamy MSN group, and finally
"Z" is "venting and upset" and Chad Z says he would
"expose" NCCG but didn't have the time.
Doesn't take that much to figure it out, does it?
Nccg_concern wants to make sure:]
To date, my contact with
the person using the email address bookman392@yahoo.com has been limited to a
few emails as indicated above.
These email exchanges alone are not enough to positively verify who he is and
what his relationship to NCCG is or has been in the past; however, the
information contained within the two screenshots below, when combined with the
information contained within the headers of the emails above, provide strong evidence
that this person is whom he claims to be.
The first screenshot (shown directly below) is of the message board
"The Truth of Christian Polygamy Reception", an MSN group that
appears to be associated with Christopher Warren in a way much like the NCCG
message boards are. The screenshot represents this message board as it was
visible on August 7, 2005, at 23:09:53 GMT. This venue of contact between
Christopher Warren and "Z" makes sense for this context, and matches
"Z"'s own description of his contact. In the screenshot, someone with
"Z"'s username as it appears in his email address
(bookman392@yahoo.com) is seen making posts in this message board (his posts
have been marked by me in red):
<polygamy group screenshot>
The second screenshot (shown directly below) is of a google search on
his username, "bookman392".
<bookman392 in google screenshot>
My conclusion based on this source material is that the emails are
highly likely to have been authored by a former NCCG fringe member known by the
username "bookman392", and I have no cause to doubt his claim that he
is the "Z" person Christopher Warren has referenced in the past.
[There is something particularly interesting about how
easily nccg_concern reveals all the information he has about Chad Z.,
especially considering that these 2 e-mails are, according to him, the only correspondence
he had with Chad Z. and nowhere in them is there leave to publish this material
online. And on top of that, here is one of my favourite quotes of nccg_concern
from the "sources" page, at the very end:
My identity is
not indicated on this web site because I wish to avoid any unnecessary jeopardy
of my personal safety relative to my authorship of this web site.
Anonymous, and no location, sex, age, education
specified. But it's different when it comes to Chad Z.: He's called Chad
Zimmerman and lives in
AT NO POINT in this two e-mails did Chad Z. make clear
he doesn't mind his personal information and IP address be published online.
And yet, nccg_concern claims this is the ONLY contact he has had with him. Two
scenarios become possible here:
To sum up: nccg_concern is either incredibly
irresponsible with protecting sources or a liar. Or both.]
In light of (1) the timing of these emails, (2) the insight they have
provided, and (3) my knowledge (through observations in the past) of how
Christopher Warren has dealt with new information similar to this, this is an
ideal place and time to discuss some of the implications these emails have. [Watch out for "specific" events and data:]
In two past incidents (source material not released), Christopher Warren
used new information in a nonsensical way to attempt to back up untrue
statements (FYI: one of the untrue statements appeared to be a series of
deliberate lies that he was making to NCCG members, and the other one was the
re-ordering of a sequence of events to support a conclusion that was otherwise
not indicated by the events). The result of this manipulation was that some
NCCG members appeared to believe that the new information actually supported
his statements. This makes me suspect
that Christopher Warren may try such an effort with this new information,
IE: it would be consistent for him to
manipulate the details of this contact from "Z" and represent it as
supporting some of his fantasies (such as the one in which a group of
people, or multiple groups, are researching NCCG at the encouragement of
"satanic covens"). [Hmm… I don't
think I've read a more vague paragraph in all this website. Two mysterious past
incidents, new but undisclosed information, unknown untrue statements, a series
of deliberate lies, a sequence of events, a conclusion not otherwise indicated
and the result is manipulated people… Well, that isn't very accurate nor could
it be a stable and sufficient argument under any pretext. The thing with
keeping one's source material hidden is that one can't just go about making
vague statements that seem to pop out of nowhere claiming this all-powerful and
all-knowing "source material". That seems to me as absurd as it seems
absurd to nccg_concern that the NCCG members claim revelation from God:
nccg_concern claims his own "revelation" from the "Source
Material". But not only does he bother to make up and share all that vague
stuff, but he also suspects what C.C. Warrens FUTURE behaviour will be like. Funnily
enough, C.C. Warren didn't even comment on this communication between
nccg_concern and Chad Z. A false prophecy? Or just plain baloney?]
[What follows is conclusions drawn seemingly out of
nowhere. I tried to reason with them and I doubt I did very well. Nowhere in
this website have I seen so far-fetched logic.]
This new information from "Z" factually supports my position
regarding the following points:
These facts are demonstrated by examining the wording of the
"prophecy" and comparing it with "Z"'s own statements. The
applicable part of the "prophecy" as posted in the nccgcybercommunity
thread "NCCG Critics : What The Enemy is Currently Doing -
The Nature of the Second Wave Revealed" was
as follows:
|
They are writing detailed profiles on each and every member of
MLT/NCCG based on what they can cull from the website, the posts here,
sermons and email/IMs that they have been hacking into. They are indeed going
to a great deal of trouble to try and discredit such a tiny group (I
wonder why? Answers available from Yahweh). They mean to publish a very
detailed character profile of each and every one of us, moulded in the image
they wish to create, twisting the information (and misinformation) in the
usual way, with a view to destroying us. |
The first part of this 'prophecy" regards events occurring in the
present tense, and the second part references the future.
Present tense:
Future tense:
Statements made by "Z" in this email correspondence are as
follows:
|
You bet I said I would expose them for the new age |
In light of "Z"'s statements about his recent
activities, I conclude the following:
The sum is like
this:
"If
"If
