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Sent: 5/11/2006 6:25 PM
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Mr. Mole, Mr. Hacker and
his friend at nccg_concern (assuming they are
not one and the same) are getting more vocal as well as more clumsy. See:
http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=2344
Whoever he/they are, they seem
to be devoting their life to this, has made lots more mistakes, and has
suddenly become 'Mr. Nice Man' - he was much more 'sophisticated' and
'benign' in the beginning. One thing I am quite sure of is that he will
trip over his own feet eventually and expose himself/themselves. We know
without a shadow of a doubt we are being hacked, that information is
leaking through from hacked private material to nccg_concern,
and whether nccg_concern is the hacker himself
or not (I have never said he was, incidentally), there is no doubt he is
in cahoots with criminals (ignorantly or deliberately, I have no
idea). And as to whether he is a satanist ot not is also unknown to me, but I have no doubt
whatsoever that he is receiving information either from satanists or their sympathisers who we have known for
years have been hacking our Yahoo and MSN accounts. He can call me
paranoid if he wants but the fact is I am not ignorant of his methods or
psychological devices. His self-defence postures are pathetic:
"This
web site author has never had the ability to monitor the internet
connection at the group's compound." "Also, this web site author has never "doctored"
information obtained through research nor fabricated research
information, is not associated with Rick Ross" http://www.geocities.com/nccg_concern/strange.html
I mean, come on, we're not kindergarden kids. So long as he is secretive,
doesn't say who he is, what he believes in, and refuses to tell us
what he is REALLY about, he can hardly be very credible. Certainly a
court of law would throw out such a 'witness'. And his "mole"
is in DFD dishonestly, so his slate is far from
'clean'. If he had wanted to find out information, he could have asked
everyone instead of assuming by default that we were a 'cult'. I hope he
lives in France one day and finds himself up against the law, then he'll
know what it feels like to be guilty until proven innocent.
The group of postings in Rick
Ross' 'benign' organisation contains the names of at least one familiar
person from California who comes from a KKK (Klu Klux Klan) and Fundamentalist
Mormon background:
http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1696
who briefly married a former
member who went his own way after deciding that he still believed in some
Mormon tenets which we rejected.
The style of some of the
posters here is similar to others who posted in a now defunct Yahoo group
a couple of years ago which was disbanded because those accusing me of
"hurting" them were all giving contradictory accounts. We
exposed some of the false witnesses in there quite accidentally,
actually, when a friend of mine joined the group and was viciously
accused of impersonating me. I think the source of real paranoia is
obvious.
Anyway, I am posting all
their material here in this board so that people can see we are not
intimidated but the wheelings and dealings of
these people. We know the truth and the truth will overturn them and
reveal their true motives in the end.
I feel sorry for them.
"Mr.Compound"
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Sent: 5/12/2006 12:02 PM
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Actually we have had a lot of
amusement of out this man's nonsense even though it actually isn't so
funny when you realise what he is doing. Deeep
down, of course, it hurts when your integrity is attacked, especially
when your attacker remains hidden and will not enter into cilivilzed dialogue. His excuses for remaining hidden
are just rubbish. Even some of our severest critics from the past have
admitted publically that we are not about to
physically attack anyone, that we are gentle and pacifists. We follow the
injuction to love our enemies and to pray for
those whod espitefully
use us. The man needs to own up as to who he is, what he believes, and make
himself accountable. When you try to make
someone else accountable for their actions but refuse to be treated by
the same standard that you expect of others, that is called in anyone's
book plain, simple hypocrisy and cowardice. Moreover, the Rich Ross group falls for the same trap that all
'anti' groups fall for, namely, they accept uncritically all criticism from anonymous persons without any kind of vetting
system for honesty and credibility. Realistically, they don't have the
time - however, if you're going to devote your life to pulling people
down, then you must submit to some kind of testing yourself and open
yourself up to full scrutiny, and must prove that your methods are
honourable and truthful.
Bad-mouthing and
character-assassination are notoriously easy. We read stories i the newspapers all the time. As a retired school
teacher, my colleagues and I used to hurt for those dedicated teachers
who were accused of misconduct, go through hell while they were put
through the public gaze, and then - after months of harrassment
and false accustion finally be acquitted. But
by this time their lives were wrecks, people still believed the lies and
rumours ever after the courts vindicated them, and most never returned to the
teaching profession again because no one would trust them. Their enemies knew - assuming there was a conspiracy (sometimes
it's just paranoid parents or members of the public obsessed with
political correctness who go overboard) - that even if their victims are
acquitted, the stigma by assoaciation
still remains to haunt long afterwards.
The lives of weaker people are
destroyed by such things. However, we who lean not on the arm of flesh
but on our Messiah, who have His strength behind us, and the loyal support of good brothers and
sisters, do not bow to such methods so easily. And having been through
this kind of slander, villification, and false accustion before, we have become tough. But it is not easy for new people and especially young people who are the targets of such activity. Moreover, it's not
all 'satanists' who get sucked up into this
kind of immorality but often well-meaning people who have personal issues
of their own and don't know what they are doing.
We live in a paranoid
society who love to blame-shift. I
remember in my last school our gymnastics teacher lived in perpetual
fear that if she were to
accidentally touch a pupil or support a pupil in some gymnastic position
she might get accused of being a child molester. And of course, the men
are more likely to be accused that the women. The fault lies with society
itself which has accepted the kind of liberalism that allows for the
mushrooming of perversion. Perverts could fear for their lives before and
were restrained by the courts. Pedophiles faced
the death penality, adulterers and fornicators
stiff penalties, and perjury was still regarded as anathema. Not so
today. Today's moral relativism has bread this unholy atmosphere where
everyone has to live in paranoid fear that they might suddenly become the
victim of some poltically correct zealot
looking for opportunity to accuse both the innocent and guilty. Society's
choice for liberalism has bred it's own tyrrany.
Why does our accuser hide
himself if not because he is paranoid about his own safety? When I was
younger honest men and women spoke their minds without fear and risked
the consequences. Not so today. Today a back-stabbing mentality prevails
without anyone taking responsibility. And when people do get hurt - as
they inevitably must do in such an environment - they must learn that
they bear part of the blame for their lack of openness and honesty. To
claim you have been 'hurt' by someone doesn't mean that another person
has hurt you per se - people get hurt' for all sort of imaginary reasons. A modicum
of psychology will show you that. So when people come onto Rick Ross's
group and say they have been 'hurt' by me there are always at least
four possible origins of that 'hurt':
1. I actually hurt them
through some malicious and dishonest conduct;
2. I 'hurt' them by telling
them the truth about themselves which they didn't want to hear;
3. They lied and are simply
false witnesses;
4. They were guilty of some
malicious or dishonest practice against me and simply refused to admit
responsibility and blame-shifted, and psycho-somatically acted out the
hurt until it became real to them.
Now an honest investigative
ministry would insist on properly checking out motives, at best a
difficult task and often impossible because the deliberate liars will
always seek to actively remain concealed. That is why in Torah accusers were always expected to present themselves physically within a community where they were well known where living witnesses could testify as to their integrity or
lack of it. Morever, the accusations should be to the one accused in full opennness.
Now none of these safeguards
is actually maintained by the Rick Ross group. Everything is
shrouded in secrecy, there are no proper accountability structures other
than, we suppose, a cabal of those who share the same life philosophy
(hence Ross' universal categorisation of all Messianic Jews as 'cultic')
which is never identified.
The other day my family were
having a laugh at the antics of these so called 'paragons of virtue' as
we listed all the 'cultic' qualities of Yah'shua and the apostles using
their criteria. (It wouldn't surprise me if they actually regarded
Yah'shua as a cultist but dare not admit it for fear of losing their
Christian supporters). I mean the man was 'paranoid' (calling respecatble religious leaders 'vipers'), he spoke
very 'strangely' (about eating his flesh and blood), he was violent and
should be kept far away from (disrupting business in the Temple by
throwing stuff around in a fir of rage), he was likely quite mad (cursing
a fig tree), a thief (stealing somone one's
ass), and much besides.
You see, it is possible to
look at anyone anyway you want to given a little bias and prejudice.
Really, to be fait, we should be allowed to go through Rick Ross' and nccg_concern's, Mr, Mole's and Mr. Hackers lives with
a comb, don't you? I mean, fair's fair. I wonder what we'd find? I
guarantee it would be very interesting indeed. In fact, I would wager that all of them would
be found wanting and that the accusation of hypocrisy would fall easily
from a carefully scrutinising public.
The difference between me and
them is that I publish my life for all to see. Apart from my bedroom and
close family life, which as I have said is no one's business, everything
is an open book. My history, my beliefs, my education, my history, my
qualifications - all is paraded. It's all on our websites, including
hobbies, interests, sports, etc.. I even publish the hostile things
written about us, even the most malicious ones, so that people can know
that we are not afraid of the truth
and that everyone can honestly investigate
and ask whatever they want. People who take the time to get to know us
know what kind of morality we pursue. I have even invited enemies to my
home to comer and see the truth for themselves (at least the
non-murdering variety). I offer them the opportunity to debate in public
following some basic rules of decency but nearly all of them refuse. Why?
Isn't it obvious? It is because they are DISHONEST MEN AND WOMEN.
I believe I have a moral right
to claim that any critic attacking me should be equally as open or simply
back off and look to his own soul and accountability to Yahweh.
We now jokingly call our barn
the "Rickh Ross Interrogation Center". We do noit
take these people seriously any more. We know their dishonest methods,
their paranoia and the vaccuousness of
their belief system. It's plain to see. I challenge them to come clean
and allow themselves to be examined in as much microscopic detail as they
are attempting (rather badly) to do with us. We see through their pretenses, their false humility and benificence to the world. It is plain that there is a
grudge or some kind of an agenda. People are suffering because of them and they are
ultimately accountable for aiding and abetting that. Yahweh will not hold them guiltless.
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From: Community_Moderator
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Sent: 6/4/2006 9:16 PM
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It seems that Mr. Concern has
not only gone to a great deal of trouble and expense to get his tabloid website translated
into Swedish but has even been in contact with the local newspapers to stir
them up. Why would a person go to such lengths? Just what are his motives? Why is he so concerned about a small, simple group
of harmelss, peace-loving Christians who
have good relations with the local community, don't pester people,
and evangelise in a way so as not to bother anyone who does not want
to know our beliefs? We respect the quiet, non-obtrusive way of life
of our host country, we don't go knocking on doors or evangelising on the
streets (though we do so in other countries where this is more common),
and simply let people find us through the internet or through
personal contact. For Mr.Concern to
go to all this trouble over such a few people who respect free speech,
encourage dialogue and discussion between people of different
beliefs, honour democracy and expect mutual accountability, is not normal behaviour - it is quite simply pathological behaviour. It may be normal to behave in such a whacky way in the
United States but not here in Sweden which is a pluralistic society not
accustomed to the kind of slick propaganda, media hype and spin that
characterises the background of Mr.Concern and
his ilk. To put it in succinctly, old Mr. "Cult" Concern has
got a grudge of some sort and is just venting but in a way that is
irresponsible and lacking accountability. He is too much of a coward to
even say who he is, resorts to ad hominem personal attacks and generally behaves like a
sulking little boy who has been sent to bed because he smashed up
the crockery when told to eat up his dinner.
One person who has
recently been through the "cult deprogrammers" came and
visited us and though he was very suspicious of us at first satisfied
himself that we were not a cult as we fulfilled none of the criteria he
had been taught. Doubtless others who have been subjected to similar
indignities who visit us will arrive at the same conclusion. Meanwhile
life continues normally here, people come and go as they want and as they
always have done. for fellowship and praise.
As for Mr.Concern
I have only this to say to him now: Yah'shua says this to you - your time is
coming to an end and you have taken this far enough.
Repent.
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From: Community_Moderator
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Sent: 6/4/2006 10:11 PM
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Update
So that our readers can be
satisfied about the criminal activities of "Mr.'Cult' Concern" one of our current
Swedish visitors here (whom I will call 'Anders') had his email
account hacked into and was sent two emails sent from his own two different email accounts at Yahoo and
Hotmail addresses containing warnings about NCCG and
links to nccg_concern before he arrived. He was
invited here by telephone by one of our members (who does not live at
HQ) some weeks ago and we had no knowledge of his visit until
hours before he arrived.
'Anders' actually checked us
out with a 'Cult Watch' group some months before he visited us and
arrived here, like the visitor in the previous post (though he was
'deprogrammed'), having
carefully made his own investigations. Now that he has seen us and how we
are, he has since apologised for entertaining doubts as to our
integrity (though we told him none were required since we believe people
have the right to carefully check us out). He is not a member of NCCG and belongs to another Christian Church.
Mr. 'Cult' Concern and/or his allies are dangerous criminals. Too afraid to be
identified and made accountable, or have his credentials checked, he has
either himself hacked into others' email accounts or employed others to
do it for him. How, indeed, we need to ask ourselves, does this man know about
the people visiting here in advance? Is he tapping our telephone
conversations too? What sort of lengths is he actually going to? The man
is either virulently malicious or mentally ill.
As I have said in previous
posts, he will be exposed - he and his allies - for the truth will
prevail. In a word, Yahweh wins and he loses.
If you would like to know how
Mr. Concern and his allies like Rick Ross operate, see:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/rossr1.html
And whilst I have good reason
that other forces are at work "behind" Ross, Concern and
allies, I will only make mention here of their anonymous 'front man'
(Concern) who has presumably been generously funded by someone
to translate his defamatory website into Swedish.
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Sent: 6/5/2006 2:47 PM
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Identifiying nccg_concern and his allies
I mentioned in an earlier post
that we are getting close to exposing nccg_concern
and his/her allies.
About three years ago the
group was infiltrated by a satanist who called
herself 'Anna' and posed as a deliverance minister at DFD.
Her attacks were subtle at first and she sounded like a genuine believer.
She hacked into the MSN account of one our clients who went under the nic 'Charli' and even
posted in her name (see first post below). We have dug up some of her old
posts, two of which which are reproduced here, because we have
discovered she is working with nccg_concern:
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From: Charli (Original Message)
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Sent: 21/08/2003 19:22
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Hi all.....
Just wanted to say hello.
Good to see another group discussing finding Freedom in Christ.
There are many people
trapped in boundage and we as believers
have an obligation to share with others the power of God to set them
free.
I look forward to getting to
know you all. Yahweh bless.
Peace and smiles......Charli
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From: Anna (Original Message)
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Sent: 12/12/2003 16:05
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Hi All,
Just wanted to say hello. My
name is Anna and I just recently came across your group. I am glad to
be a part of it and look forward to fellowshipping and learning with
you all.
I do have a little
"Food for Thought". If Satan has already been disarmed, as
the bible says - what then do you all believe the spiritual fight is
about? I personally lean toward it being about removing scales from
blinded eyes and exposing the lies of our enemy. I don't believe that
is a complicated process, concerning Satan that. He is defeated, end of
story; however dealing with past hurts and lies based on those past
hurts does sometimes take some time.
Any thoughts?
God's Blessings,
Anna
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I can confirm that she is back
in our groups under a different nic and has
been helping Mr.Concern. She is a satanist.
The net is closing in on nccg_concern and his allies. The truth
will out.
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Sent: 6/5/2006 4:25 PM
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We have now discovered Mr.Concern is a non-believer and anti-Christian like
the Rick Ross Institute (so-called) whose goal is to 'deprogram'
Christians who do not belong to the larger groups who have more economic
and political clout (like the Mormons whom Ross & Co. do not classify
as a cult - apparently Ross underestimated the Scientologists who were a
bit 'bigger' than he thought when they sued him an a cult 'deprogramming'
group for kidnapping and won). We also know that there is a group of
people working on his website, including the satanist
'Anna' (mentioned in the last post), a man whom I will just call Z for
now (we know who he is), a 'believer', who is venting because his pride
was upset when we threw him off a group for demeaning women (he is an
aspirant polygamist who was planning to 'buy' himself a second wife from
a Militia Group in the USA) and who is responsible for the 'anaylsis' and 'critique' of the Olive Branch and possibly the last personal diatribe on Mr.Concern's
website, and possible one or two other people.
As I promised, the whole
truth will out. More will be coming
including the full identity of Mr.Concern, his
hacking aids, and the other criminal riff-raff of his motley crew.
As you will see, he is a Rick Ross look-alike, and if he doesn't have a
criminal record, the chances are if he continues in this vein that he
will soon have one.
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Exerpt from: groups.msn.com/nccgcybercommunity,
"NCCG Critics" message board, "NCCG Response to a Swedish Newspaper" thread dated
6/6/2006
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9. To begin with, though he
denies it, Mr.Concern belongs to an financially opportunistic
'profession', without any kind of credentials, which has been thoroughly
discredited in the United States. His agenda, far from being altruistic, is
anti-Christian and especially anti-minority religious groups. And whilst
many of the groups who are investigated by such 'cult watchers' are truly
cults in the broadest definition of the term, many are not, and are merely
'investigated' for financial gain or other agendas. Mr. Concern maintains a
discussion board on NCCG at the 'Rick Ross
Institute', a man regarded as the foremost 'cult deprogrammer' in the world
but who is a well known criminal. He has been found guilty in the United
States of embezzlement, fraud, kidnapping, and the violation of human
rights, and by his own testimony, remains unrepentant of these
misdemeanours. Victims of his kidnappings and 'deprogrammings'
have been given awards of millions of US dollars, and one 'deprogramming'
organisation was sued for criminal activity and went bankrupt. You should
be aware that this is the kind of 'company' that Mr. Concern keeps.
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This is the aforementioned false prophecy. It is from groups.msn.com/nccgcybercommunity,
"NCCG Critics" message board, "What
The Enemy is Currently Doing - The Nature of the Second Wave Revealed"
thread. It has included a few elements which were first raised within the
earlier character assassinations. It was
dated June 28, 2006
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What The Enemy is Currently
Doing
The Nature of the Second Wave
Revealed
The following is by way of prophetic information revealed
to us by Yahweh to prepare our people for what is coming.
They are writing detailed profiles on each and
every member of MLT/NCCG based on what they can
cull from the website, the posts here, sermons and email/IMs that they have been hacking into. They are indeed
going to a great deal of trouble to try and discredit such a tiny
group (I wonder why? Answers available from Yahweh). They mean to publish a
very detailed character profile of each and every one of us, moulded in the
image they wish to create, twisting the information (and misinformation) in
the usual way, with a view to destroying us. The result is, however, that
they will be destroyed themselves. In a sentence: what they wish to happen
to us, will happen to them, and our ministry will simply be strengthened
and enlarged. Little do they realise that they are doing Yahweh's work. But
as Yah'shua said, stumblings will come, but woe
unto them that cause stumblings.
So sometime in the near future - probably at Mr.
Concern's site but also probably elsewhere too - they mean to extend their
so-called "exposé" into what they claim to be minute
detail character studies. Expect to find a very detailed profile of
the existing leadership, and of the leaders to come with a lot of
psycho-babble. The intent of these profiles will be defammatory,
like the newspaper article, and not at all in the interests of truth.
Expect to find very loaded terms and deliberately misleading labels like
'cult propagandist' applied to one of our people. The aim is to make us
appear unstable, paraonoid, cultic, delusional -
you name it, they will come up with it. In short, total character
assassination.
They believe they are going for the metaphorical
'jugular vein' but as Yahweh has already stated, it is going to backfire on
them. And very badly at that. Yahweh and Torah are our judge, and
not these deluded people who are spending so much time on us - and
for what purpose? Why not use their resources on the real cults out
there, of which there are thousands.
Only those who know their Bibles will understand
why. Many will fall away as a result of this but far more will be coming
when they see the mighty hand of Yahweh at work.
28 June 2006
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"NCCG Critics" message board, "Will
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Sent: 7/20/2006 12:39 PM
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Mr. Concern has no
self-declared morals and as an atheist-on-a-mission to 'rescue people
from religion' (the 'opium of the people', no doubt) wouldn't care
about Yah'shua's words anyway. His comrade-in-arms (Ross & Co.)
is more than willing to kidnap people, brainwash and force them to
recant their beliefs by force so he is guilty by association, his
distancing techniques notwithstanding. This is a man not interested in
the truth or people, like Ross himself, who, when psychoalysed,
revealed disconnectedness from people's feelings.
For one, he has happily
recruited as one of the contributors of his site a polygamy-hopeful man
associated with 'Christian' militias (who are prepared to insurrect violently against the government, who don't
register their children's births, etc.) who has boasted in front of
many people, as well as leaving a written record of the same, of his
intention to purchase (with money - he stated the 'price' which
these wwomen's father was selling his daughters for) a few extra women for himself from said
militias. We have had his tearful wife, whose feelings he has trampled
all over, coming to us for ministry and help. When we told him that
his conduct was reprehensible, along with his demeaning attitude towards
women, he left our association in high dudgeon breathing threatenings of revenge, insisting that his wife
could either accept his intention to force new wives on her, or leave,
even when she was pregnant!
This ministry does not recruit for polygamy wannebees -
we merely want people informed of the biblical teachings so that they can
be prepared for it when Yah'shua returns. We believe it will be the
majority practice for Israel but not the world (which we
believe will be monogamous) once a certain level of spirituality has been attained. We accept
polygamous groups coming from cultures where it is practiced and
normative (such as Africa) and the occasional family from other
cultures where it is plain that all the parties involved want it and love it, and no one has been
coerced against their will. We are totally against the spirit behind the so called 'Christian polygamy movement'
which is fuelled by men's lust and power drives. Mr. Concern's co-writer
is one such man. It was our total rejection of his spirit that caused him
to turn against us and give Mr. Concern his 'objective' fuel.
I could give information on the
others who are 'stirring his pot' but I only refrain from doing so
because there are confidences involved. Unlike Mr.'Concern'
(what an oxymoron) I do have principles. What's ironic is the paranoia he
accuses me of he has himself fuelled in others who have complained as a result of his misrepresentations. But I doubt he has a conscience
or could care less because he has an atheistic
anti-religious agenda.
A time will, however, be
coming when may well expose Mr. Concern's 'informants' but not until he has
enough metaphorical rope to hang himself with, unless he chooses to do
the honourable thing and repent, and our clients agree. Not that I think
we need to and I would personally rather that they came to a knowledge of
the truth and found freedom - that goes for Mr.Concern
himself too.
We in any case leave this
matter in Yahweh's hands and get on with life. There will always be
people who are waylaid by deliberate scare-stories, which are then
propagated around the net by cyber gossip and sensationalist
journalists only interested in making a scoop; there will always be those
who don't want to know the truth (because
then they become responsible for the conduct of their lives, and most
don't want to be), and there will be those driven by dark urges who just
want a kick out of rubbishing people. We have to live with lies and
malicious intent because these things will always be in the world. Those
who want to find out the truth can, the rest must believe what they want.
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