for People With Concerns about NCCG

or an NCCG-Involved Person (May 15, 2006)

[This article, which is the first one in a list of 8, points more to the direction of the members’ families than the members themselves. There is a lot to say on this one. This is not an attempt so much to defend NCCG or its practices, but rather to understand if this person’s arguments and efforts and clarion calls actually have a basis on reality. Because it is, using common sense, cruel to aim at people’s most vulnerable parts, namely their religious beliefs and their children and loved ones, and claim that they are in mortal danger of destroying their lives if you don’t have solid evidence to support the truth behind this fear. Also, it is cruel to attack a certain single person and the work he has obviously devoted his life to, and claim that all he ever wanted was to manipulate and control emotionally vulnerable people. You might be right, but you can’t light-heartedly set up a website that does both these things without having a really good reason why you do it, because you might also be wrong.

Finally, it would be perfectly ok if the writer was clear to begin with that what we are about to read is his (assuming he is male, as he has not at any point made a statement of who he is) opinions and not claim to be writing about “facts”. As you will see for yourself, there are no facts in this page mentioned by this author. Also, suggesting authority to give advice requires some sort of credentials on the matter. Had the author ONLY given his opinion, that would be appreciated. The author however, analyses, draws conclusions and finally gives advice on a subject that there is no clue whether he has any sort of authority on or not.

This matter, therefore, has two aspects: the truth about facts and the truth about the author’s own motivation. The facts the author presents can or cannot be true, and his motivation may or may not be genuine concern. This gives us 4 possible scenarios that explain why this website has been created to begin with:

1. The truth is that NCCG is a dangerous destructive cult and the facts about it are exactly as presented and/or implied in this website. The author of this website is honestly concerned about the members of NCCG and their families and wishes to open their eyes and save them from the imminent danger.

2. The truth about NCCG is as described above in #1 but the author of this website, for a reason unknown to us, cares more to destroy the work of the NCCG leader and practically cover it and him with mud than to help the people whose lives and mental stability seem to be in danger.

3. The truth is that NCCG is not a dangerous and destructive cult, but is what it says it is, a religious group that prepares itself for the “end times” and wishes to help people find freedom in God, especially for those who have been abused. However, the author of this website has mistaken it for a cult and is honestly but mistakenly concerned about the members of NCCG and their families.

4. The truth about NCCG is as described above in #3 but the author of this website, regardless what mission NCCG has taken up, for a reason unknown to us, wants to destroy the work of the NCCG leader and practically cover it and him with mud.

This website claims that the 1^st scenario is what explains his motivation. However, from an objective look at NCCG’s activities and the way this website is written and attempts to get its message through, it seems quite strongly that the 4^th scenario is what corresponds to reality. This work is to prove this. In all then, there are but two points to prove.

-         Is NCCG a dangerous destructive cult? Should we worry about ourselves if we are involved in it, or about people we know they are involved in it?

-         Is the author of this website honestly concerned? Who is he? Does he know what he is talking about? Should we take his words to heart and act upon them?

What follows is the author’s writings in black and my counter-arguments in green. I also thought of marking where the author himself is expressing speculation and opinion, but in that case I would probably need to mark 90% of the text.

As this author is, so am I a member of both NCCG Cyber Community and the Deliverance From Demons group. As he has done, so have I been investigating and taking part in both groups’ activities (chatting and posting on message boards) since the summer of 2005.]

This information is based upon factual research, the observation of NCCG members and former members, and direct interaction with NCCG members of various levels of involvement including NCCG leadership. Each point expressed on this page has been observed more than once. The information below will be updated and/or corrected if new or more clarifying information is obtained.

NCCG is a small polygamic group or "cult" with a compound (communal residence) near Arvika, Sweden. NCCG had an early Mormon background, and its religious beliefs combine aspects of Mormonism, Judaism, Christianity, and members' own created beliefs. NCCG members believe that they receive visions and revelations directly from God (Yahweh). They also believe that their enemies who worship Satan instead of God (called "satanists") occasionally attack them. In some cases these enemies are claimed to have been seen in Arvika, Glava, Karlstad, and other areas in the region. A small number of people who have no direct association with NCCG appear to have been specifically accused of being "satanists". In other cases, the "satanist" enemies are claimed to exist worldwide.

[“Compound” does not mean “communal residence”. The author should open a dictionary. Here is what found on the American Heritage Dictionary about the word “compound”: com·pound n. 1. A building or buildings, especially a residence or group of residences, set off and enclosed by a barrier. 2. An enclosed area used for confining prisoners of war. This is what compound means, other than the biological and chemical meanings. Just to make this clear, the house where C.C. Warren lives, is absolutely NOT set off and enclosed by a barrier. He prefers to call a “collective” when he refers to it in public documents because this is what it is, and the report of a Swedish journalist who investigated the group some years ago verifies that title. 

The word compound is also often used to describe a somewhat perverse co-habitance of many families, as it happened back in the 60’s and 70’s with the hippies and as it happens today with some actual cults. The word “compound” therefore is loaded. Communal residence is not. Using the word communal residence is objectivity, but using the word compound is not. 

This is one point about the wording in this paragraph. Obviously the author lacks information on the subject and believes that there is “no such thing as Satanists”. The other is the word “Satanists” between apostrophes. Why the word the author does that, I don’t understand. In my country, there are Satanist rites every year at their “festival” times and “off season” too, and everyone knows about them and what these people do, and not even the police cares, so they are just left to do their thing. They are quiet and use really good cover, especially when they sacrifice people. I have never been into this to report from inside, but come on… devil worship isn’t a secret. You cannot say “Satanists” within apostrophes like you would say “Booggie-man”. If people worship trees or stones, someone is bound to worship the devil too. Also, there are people who are NOT into devil worship enjoy exceedingly to torture their victims to insanity (as is the case in Asian and Middle East prisons), and in their case it’s but a form of lust (sadism). However, someone who worships Satan, obviously, would believe he would receive power or any other “gift” from his master when causing pain. How much more then this person would go after it, and not only prisoners or half-dead people on the streets but also after small and even unborn children. Think about it. If you wanted to be THE most evil person possible, you would certainly be quite creative, both to cause pain and general evil, but also to cover up. So debunking Satanists looks quite unwise to me here.]

NCCG was first created in England in 1984. Its functional leader has always been Christopher C. Warren, who is 52 years old at the time of this writing.

[Please note the time span – 22 years (20 actually, as NCCG was created in 1986, not 1984 - check the history). This is a lot of time, it didn’t happen yesterday. If it has been a dangerous cult, that didn’t happen in the last year when this author and myself were investigating. NCCG has a history. Maybe it’s older than the author himself, I couldn’t know. At any rate, due to this fact only, that someone spent 20 years to build something, respect and sobriety is due when criticising his work. This isn’t just for kicks – this is a big deal to some people.]

NCCG moved from England to Norway for a number of years, and then moved again to Sweden in 1997. NCCG's membership and size has not been stable throughout it's history because it split up several times. It has also changed names repeatedly.

This web site author has observed Christopher C. Warren to apparently be a skilled, creative manipulator of facts and situations. This is to effect undue influence and, ultimately, control over NCCG members. Additionally, he appears to use mystical manipulation, and both he and another noted "deliverance minister" appear to use other methods of undue influence.

[With this paragraph, it seems, objectivity stops and agenda starts to show. So far we’ve known NCCG as a group of people who have their own ideas, maybe somewhat far-fetched, and yet not so as there are quite a number of groups out there who definitely claim divine revelation, definitely change names and split up.

In this last paragraph, however, we’re TOLD that it has been OBSERVED… etc. Wait a minute there. It has been “observed”, that sounds awfully scientific. It is like saying “it has been observed that patients with Raynaud’s syndrome display a change of colour of their fingers when they place them under cold water”. This OBSERVATION is done by an EXPERT. This expression is very common in science. BUT, who is writing this now? Who observed that C.C. Warren is a “skilled creative manipulator of facts and situations”. The answer is “this web site author”. And WHO is this “web site author”? The answer is, he doesn’t tell us. We do not know. Is he an analyst? Is he a mechanic? Is he a student? Does he have a Ph. D.? What are his credentials? What is his name? We do not know. He does not tell us. This lack of information is enough for a person with sound judgement to disregard the whole sentence. But I have more to say, as this phrase, “it has been observed”, comes up a lot in this website and it is good to make a couple of things clear to start with.

What does the author mean by “observing” something? The common sense answer is, he watched it happen. This is what observation actually is. Now what the author is telling us is that he watched the following take place BEFORE HIS VERY EYES: “A man is a a skilled, creative manipulator of facts and situations”. So I come and ask in all honesty, did the author see, watch with his own eyes, C.C. Warren “creatively manipulate facts and situations”? In medical textbooks you will find pictures of fingers getting yellow after exposure to cold water when they refer to Raynaud’s syndrome. And they do this to demonstrate, even if they have placed their name and scientific qualifications on the cover and you know you can trust them. Now this author has reported neither. Obviously his observation accounts for nothing, but let’s be lenient. May we at least be given an example? Because if we are NOT given an example, then it’s the author of this website that manipulates facts. If C.C. Warren has been seen to do such a thing, can we please be told what he did? You know, people aren’t dumb. You don’t need to chew their food for them and then spit it in their mouth. If you give people FACTS, they will understand and form an opinion. I should have liked to see FACTS here and not the claims of observation.

The rest of the paragraph gets likewise discredited. On the basis of the first “observation”, the claim of “undue influence” is suggested and in the next sentence “mystical manipulation”. There are no facts, and nothing that tells us what the author calls “undue influence” and “mystical manipulation”.

Despite the uselessness of that paragraph, something good and useful comes out of it: the author’s alleged opinion. We might not know if C.C. Warren is INDEED a skilled manipulator, but we sure know that the author wants us to believe this, otherwise why make a point of it for another 12 (at least) articles? WHY does the author want us to believe such a thing? Maybe, you will say, he “observed” that and he is convinced and shares his “concern”. Yes, sure, but we just made clear that his “observation” accounts for nothing because we know nothing else about him but THIS SINGLE opinion which is to be found everywhere else in this website. A person’s integrity MAY give value to his opinion, but a person’s opinion alone says NOTHING about his integrity. This is a principle of common sense.

Finally, to my knowledge, and my own observation, NCCG doesn’t practice C.C. Warren-worship, as they’re somewhat fanatic about God and what He says about “not worshipping idols”.]

Christopher Warren has been noted to affirm several very dangerous perspectives to deeply-involved and core NCCG members regarding "satanists":

• Strangers encountered near their compound are actually "satanists" who are spying on them or doing other activities related to Satan.
• The police and local government officials have "satanists" working in them
• A percentage of the people throughout their region of Sweden are accused of being "satanists". This includes both general accusations on a broad scale and a few very specific accusations.
• "Satanists" are trying to kill, and possibly kidnap and torture, NCCG members.

[In the first sentence, the author says the perspectives are “very dangerous”. Let me display some facts and some common sense. What is no secret about NCCG is that they are on a mission to find victims of satanic ritual abuse (SRA is the acronym) and help them recover. The group’s leadership makes a big point out of it.

Now, consider again, if you were that really evil person, the Satanist, and had gone to great lengths to keep your activities concealed – activities, which, should the public know about (that for instance children as sacrificed under their noses), would shake things quite a bit – whether you would be upset or not. After years of neatly hiding your skeletons in the closet, there comes along someone with a really big website on religion practically shouting “there are people among you who are forced to sacrifice their own children!!!!!”. I guess you wouldn’t like this if you were a Satanist. You WOULD try to get your people to see who this person is. Before it even occurred, you WOULD have your people infiltrated in the police and the government to cover up. You wouldn’t have a huge active group per country, but you would definitely use as many people as you concealment tactics would allow. And if you were a Satanist as described above, you WOULD want to kill C.C. Warren for blowing your cover and putting your life and reputation at stake.

The possibility that what the author here makes sound far-fetched and insane is actually the case is quite high. Is to know this “very dangerous”? No I do not think so. I think C.C. Warren is doing the prospective members a favour. He actually tells them: “There are people who are after us to kill us. Does this appeal to you?”. If C.C. Warren is that skilful manipulator, would he scare people off like that? Especially if, according to this author, there ARE no Satanists? Is C.C. Warren a “skilful and creative manipulator” (in most of these articles he is represented as some kind of evil genius) and at the same time an idiot?

I believe this more or less covers the “Satanists” issue. I probably won’t be making any more comments on this.]

NCCG appears to be making an active effort to maintain a low profile within the local community (Arvika Kommun). It does not appear to recruit locally or otherwise make its presence known other than as a quirky family or a home schooling operation. It does not advertise its polygamic nature to anyone except NCCG members or known sympathizers of polygamy.

[NCCG’s existence is by no means concealed to the local community by the leadership’s own testimony. They say that when they first moved there, they gave around leaflets to the whole village they live in inviting people who are interested to come and see what and who they are. This is quite easy to prove, so why lie about it. And NCCG definitely doesn’t advertise polygamy to anyone. The people who have expressed sympathy towards polygamy in the NCCG Cyber Community have immediately been advised NOT to try it.]

The young children currently living at the compound were not noted to have legal fathers listed in the public record. However, it is known among core NCCG members that the father is Christopher C. Warren. This web site author suspects that this omission from the public records may have been done deliberately, to help prevent NCCG's polygamic nature from being generally known.

[HUH?! This one is a bit beyond the line. I thought the research was on NCCG? I thought the author was specifically after C.C. Warren (he has NEVER expressed an opinion about any other member of the church – isn’t that something to think about for a minute?). Now imagine if someone was trying to evaluate your work and this person wrote on his evaluation comments about your children. Or, to make it even more graphic, imagine someone you don’t know or have ever heard of doing research on who YOUR father is. Is it really the one your mother was married to? Wait, WAS she married when she had you? Did she have a boyfriend? Who was he? Who has she told you your father is? Who has she told the public your father is? Let’s ask her close friends and former boyfriends. Rather, let’s tap their phone conversations and hack their e-mails. And then we will publish it online, and the truth will out and I guess everyone will be interested. Obviously, this paragraph is downright abusive to the young children, who, by the way, are quite besides the point this particular website is supposedly trying to make, honest or not.]

NCCG does not tell strangers who want to know about their religious beliefs that they are polygamic. They will only explain the polygamy to people who have started to trust them.

[Oh yes, that surely explains a lot and it’s got to be “inside info”. They DO practice polygamy, according to the author, but we have no proof so far because they only tell the people they trust. Yet, the bottomline is, do we even know? How does HE know? Is he polygamous too? Are there are “signs”? (this author is a great fan of signs indicating something, by the way, as you will find out later).]

There appear to be five basic kinds of members in NCCG: [More wishful-observation. Now we get to see categories too, like you will find categories of leaf formations in textbooks. How he knows, he does not specify; evidence, he does not give.]

1. Core members who live at the NCCG compound. These members generally have a hierarchal structure among themselves. Some of them appear to have delusions that they receive visions and revelations from "Yahweh" (God), and psychoses regarding "deliverance from demons" and repeated attacks by "satanists". [Has the author ever met any? As far as I know, psychoses cannot be diagnosed from tidbits of information that has probably been hacked into (or how on earth does he know what these people are like?). People visit experts and still they’re not sure and the author (obviously not an expert) comes out and tells us that some people in Sweden are psychotic… How very scientific and objective of him. As for revelation from God being delusion, try telling that to all the other groups who claim the same and are not classified as cult. How about Pope and his Infallible words? Surely Pope Benedict is psychotic, then?]
2. Core members who do not permanently live at the NCCG compound. They rely heavily on the internet for communication with other NCCG members, and are involved in recruitment and "deliverance ministry". Very few people appear to fall into this category at this time. [Very few. And I guess very few also DO live in the “compound”. I stumbled at the word “RECRUITMENT”. To my observation, there is not even ONE person who recruits people for NCCG’s sake. I know but one person among the ones who are active in the NCCG MSN groups and this person only who did not discover NCCG by browsing the internet, and this person is not even a member of the church. To make this clear, the church only considers as members the people who have been baptised. Becoming a member is not all that easy for this particular church, and the writings of C.C. Warren can verify this. There is a difference between being a member of NCCG and a member of the NCCG MSN groups, and this is the reason that I make the distinction each time I mention the word “member”. So, no, NCCG does not recruit people to make them their members. People FINDING NCCG is the most commonly occurring event. Given the above information, I would like for this author to give us an idea of what he means by “recruit” and just how many people ARE NCCG’s recruits. I ask this because later this author is more or less deriving statistic information by “observations” on recruits.
3. Fringe members using the internet who are being groomed to become core members. This is a dangerous level of NCCG involvement:
• They can be having psychotic episodes and/or delusions and it may not be apparent to family members or friends [Psychosis not apparent to family members… But apparent to the author? In that sense, anyone could be psychotic, couldn’t they? I would very much like to see how he defines psychotic. And is it really so dreadful? Psychosis, from what I know, probably won’t be caused to you if someone calls you an atheist and that you’ll go to hell. But someone MAY appear to have symptoms of psychosis if they are psychotic BEFORE you start “pressing their buttons”. More on that later.]
• They may perceive themselves as core members even without having met any other members [And that’s horrible because…? Does the author perceive himself as a cult expert, judging from this work? I think I can safely observe that. And yet, has he MET any cult experts. I think this is doubtful.]
• They may be hiding plans to move to the compound from family members and friends [And again that’s horrible because…? These people are NOT minors. To my knowledge, NCCG doesn’t “recruit” minors (people under the age of 18) and explicitly tells them to go away in their main website. So do I have to inform my family and friends about my plans on my life? How bad is it not to?]
4. Fringe members using the internet who are not very involved. These members are not fully integrated into NCCG and have varying levels of interest in it. They engage primarily in information gathering on the various web sites, and may engage in some communication with NCCG leadership or members. Their direct experience with NCCG can be significantly different from a member who is being groomed for core membership. A general disinterest in seeking "deliverance" may exclude some of them from being recruited into deeper levels. [Groomed for core membership… good grief. Loaded words. May we have a definition of “grooming” here? May we please know FACTS, aside from pop psychology? If I had a daughter who was spending time on NCCG and believing what they teach, I would like to know solid indisputable facts. These are the FACTS as I have observed them: I have never observed an instance in which C.C. Warren suggested to anyone to move to his house. According to this author, he conditions people to it… Hmm. Then I guess I might be wrong, but what does he do with the rest? Why does he even bother with the “fringe members who are not very involved”? If he is that dangerous, he must spend all his time “grooming” the potential “core members” and would have no time for anyone else? And yet I’ve seen him give extensive answers and devote a great deal of time answering all these people’s questions (the “not very involved” people’s), judging from his behaviour in NCCG Cyber Community. Posts from the “uninvolved” on all kinds of subjects appear all day long, and as NCCG Cyber is a controlled group, someone has to read it all to post it. Also these posts are analysed and commented on extensively in most cases, and internet research is done on the subject. This is what NCCG Cyber looks like from within. Never seen any instance of “grooming”. Well, maybe C.C. Warren is private about it (one on one conversation on IM service providers), in which case, this suggest the author has used illegal means to obtain this information. This, the author of this website absolutely denies. So how does he know? Where is the evidence?]
5. Potentially exaggerated claims of members who do not participate directly in NCCG (such as claims of large numbers of members in India). In the observation of this web site author, this class of member does not resemble the functional members like the above 4 categories, and is not considered a "member" for the purposes of this report. [What a pity! The author should have interviewed one of them at least! If there are 3,000 people in India and only about 400 in the groups, then he is definitely not hitting the nail on the head by examining the groups, is he? And the people in India don’t use computers. How inconvenient this must have been for him. Judging from his report, the “core members” can’t be more than 10-15 people, including the ones who are supposedly being “groomed” into that (because how many people can one single man groom at the same time????), there are around 400 “not very involved” ones who, according to the author, aren’t in much danger, and about 3,000 or more he knows nothing about, and the conclusion is that somehow this “cult” is “destructive”? And here is another clue. NCCG considers these 3,000 people as MEMBERS. It does NOT consider the people who have a membership in the MSN groups as members. So the author does NOT consider as members those who ARE members? If you look upwards, everyone else is called a “member”. This is not making any sense, is it? Is it perhaps a good idea to do some more investigation, get some more facts and THEN publish a website defaming a person? After all, the joke is on the author.]

The largest category of functional members appears to be that of the the internet located fringe members.  The number of people who appear targeted for recruitment into core membership (living at the compound) is very small.

[And… this whole website and a year long research is meant to protect these 10 to 15 people who according to the author are in danger? Really… is it? Because he said earlier that the internet located fringe “members” are not in much danger because the “cult leader” doesn’t bother to “groom” them.]

This web site author's impression, based on observation of the characteristics demonstrated by a variety of NCCG members, is that individuals with areas of psychological vulnerability, family instability, or a history of mental illness are much more likely to be recruited as core members. This is because these kinds of people appear to be more interested in approaching "deliverance ministers" for deliverance chat sessions, and their responses during "deliverance" are more likely to lead to a dependent and controlling relationship with NCCG leadership.

[Ok, the author effectively debunks his own loaded statements here. The first thing he says is: “this web site author’s impression...”. The title of this page is “Fast Facts”. FACTS. NOT THE AUTHOR’S IMPRESSION. We have not been given evidence of one single fact so far. But we have the fact of this anonymous author’s impression. Well, I suggest, if you have a loved one you are concerned about, you go out on the street and ask for the first person you meet to tell you his or her “impression”. Would you do that?

Besides all that, and now for the sake of understanding how the brain of this author works (and obviously not how NCCG works because we’d need facts for that), let me first of all make clear what this paragraph is implying. The way it sounds is that NCCG has set up a network of websites to attract people who have “areas of psychological vulnerability, family instability, or a history of mental illness”. NCCG does this because they want to recruit as many core members as possible and people who are unstable are much easier “victims” to NCCG’s evil plans of controlling relationship with its leadership, i.e. C.C. Warren. This is a heavy accusation, don’t you think? I would be satisfied before if I only knew this author’s name and university degrees, but now I can only trust him or even take him into consideration if I see his degrees with my own eyes, if he PROVES that he is an expert at this. I am not going to base my opinion of another man on this guys “impressions”.

Now, to another point. Earlier it was stated by the author of this article that people who are “dangerously” involved in NCCG deliverance sessions demonstrate psychotic behaviour which has not yet been apparent to their family. Here is something to consider: in psychotherapy, if the psychosis which is not apparent to family or even the person in question manifests in a session, this is in most cases good news because it becomes apparent to both the patient and the care-giver and can be dealt with. This then is a good development.

So if the author is telling us that people who ARE what secular psychology would diagnose as “psychotic”, and no one knows about it, and these “psychotic” people are attracted by this group, and join, and their “psychosis” manifests and is dealt with positively as has been witnessed… all in all, that NCCG is an evil group that destroys lives? Does it make sense? If what the author says about psychosis is true, it looks like they do quite the opposite to me, no matter if they attribute the “psychosis” to demons and the healing thereof to divine intervention.

Moreover, a wise person judges from the outcome. Are these people helped or not? Can you tell us if they are? Judging from what I’ve experienced and seen, I have definitely seen people improve and definitely without ending up worshipping the group leader, or thanking him, but God instead. Why hasn’t this author reported that people have testified being HELPED by their involvement in NCCG? Why do we hear his own opinion but not the opinions of others who have been involved FOR REAL and not just for investigation’s sake?]
 
Individuals without these issues not only appear less interested in receiving "deliverance", but would have more psychological stability during the process if it were attempted. Overall, they have a better chance of remaining fringe members who enjoy reading the theological material on the nccg.org web site, etc.

[And why exactly does this one evil person, C.C. Warren (since no other evil leadership or member is ever mentioned in the whole of this website) bother to help and see these people through deliverance if he knows (as the manipulative genius that he is) that they won’t come under his absolute control later, move to his “compound” and marry him, as the author suggests later?]

NCCG is, as a whole, an avid user of internet chat. Any personal chat medium (such as MSN) can potentially be used, in addition to groups.msn.com chatrooms.

In addition to the www.nccg.org web site, a tiered system of web sites on the groups.msn.com web site system is used. Some are used for recruitment and "deliverance" and some are more private. The first three relatively public "MSN Group sites" are used for recruitment, and they are:

   1. groups.msn.com/nccgcybercommunity
   2. groups.msn.com/deliverancefromdemonsreception
   3. groups.msn.com/deliverancefromdemons

These web sites contain a combination of message boards and NCCG related religious material. These three web sites are structured such that an individual can be steadily indoctrinated by the #1 and #2 group. When the individual is finally asking for membership in group #3, it will be possible that a level in their indoctrination has been reached where there is vulnerability to the persuasive techniques used in "deliverance sessions" as explained later. Additionally, there are chat rooms which may be utilized by members at various times of the week.

[This is not so. First of all, the “Deliverance from Demons Reception” (DFDR) has currently merged with the NCCG Cyber Community and any observer who belongs to both NCCG Cyber Community or DFDR can testify this. People become members of “Deliverance from Demons” (DFD) after being introduced to all that the church has to offer, namely, NCCG Cyber Community. Also, the latter is not actually private. It takes but to ask to be admitted in the group as an investigator, and you are admitted. There are facts to prove this, and you can also see for yourself if you are really interested to find out (of course, I am not to be held accountable if this pattern changes in the future, I only testify what I have observed). No “indoctrination” is taking place in NCCG Cyber Community. People there are encouraged to read whatever material they find useful, and nothing more. Finally, the only thing it takes for one to become a member of DFD is their “honest wish to be delivered from demonic oppression”. You will find MANY churches (and non-churches) believing that demons can affect or oppress and soul and NCCG has the right to believe this too. You will also find many churches who find deliverance sessions helpful to solve the above problem, and I do not see why NCCG may not believe this also.

It is possible for an individual to be deeply and dangerously involved with NCCG but show relatively few outward signs to family members or friends. The individual can be having psychotic episodes and making major, life-changing decisions while deliberately hiding the situation from family and friends.

[More loaded words and statements. Perhaps as the author was writing this, at this point he became “inspired”. Now imagine a stranger came and told you this: “Your son/daughter is to MY observation a deeply and dangerously involved member of a destructive cult called NCCG, but this is happening right under your nose! You haven’t even got wind of it, but I know what’s happening to your kid, and I’ll tell you how to fix it. Oh and by the way, your kid is psychotic. Now I have no evidence to prove any of the above, but I’m sure that my loaded pop-psychology jargon will convince you.”]

One of the precepts developed within NCCG members who are being groomed for core membership is that of psychologically abandoning their biological family and non-group friends. One of the first steps toward core membership will involve the member disowning their parents and seeing themselves as adopted children of a husband and wife pair within NCCG. The principal husband and wife pair noted as adoptive "parents" have been Christopher Warren and one of his wives.

[Definitely not a precept. I have seen so very few people (4, to be exact, and if you ask them they won’t hide it) being what they call “spiritually adopted”, that if this was a precept, the group wouldn’t number more than 5 members. In my own observation, the statement that the author makes above is bloated, to say the least.]

NCCG recruits may not always explain NCCG's religious beliefs to family members or friends. [Really? Did you ask them and said no?] Efforts by a newly-recruited fringe member to convert his or her family and friends, if such an effort occurs, may be brief. [MAY be brief? Evidence?] At this time, NCCG does not tend to focus on getting its internet-located members to recruit their biological family, or perform personal "witnessing". Such efforts, if they occur, are more likely to focus on a married spouse (not boyfriend/girlfriend) as opposed with the recruit's parents (even if the recruit still lives with or is in close contact with parents).

Outward signs which may be seen in a deeply-involved recruit are: [Now, if you want to spot ‘em, you gotta watch those signs…]

• (Extremely common, noted in almost all members having an increasing degree of involvement): Actively rejecting Christmas and other typical holidays, insisting instead upon celebrating holidays that appear more in-line with Judaism [Does actively rejecting Santa Claus count as a sign of dangerous involvement? Everyone (or at least people who are even a tiny bit interested) knows that Christmas is a pagan feast fitted into Christianity and that Jesus was definitely NOT born in December (see Wikipedia, at least). I remember I once told a friend who hasn’t even heard of NCCG that I won’t do anything to celebrate the Christmas of 2005, she asked me why and I replied “because it’s a bunch of nonsense”. You know what she said? And she is religious. She said “You’re right!”. As for holidays more in line with Judaism, this requires a little explaining. NCCG tends to take what the Bible says very seriously and when the Bible’s God says that they must observe the Feast of Tabernacles and the Sabbath, the NCCG people take that seriously. This isn’t Judaism. This commandment is on every single Bible there is. Nothing mystical or cultic about it. Besides, according to the Bible, again, even Jesus observed the Tabernacles and the Passover. NCCG people, I repeat, take that seriously. That’s what they choose to believe, and, if I might say this, strict observance of the whole of the Bible is one of the most striking characteristics of this group. Does observing what the Bible says count as a sign of “deep involvement in a cult”? I bet if you’re a Christian, you’d WISH your children or loved ones took the Bible more seriously.]
• May show stronger disapproval of bad language, especially language that profanes "God" [So what? Since when is cursing a sign of a sane and sound mind? Because most people curse, is this what’s healthy? What does the author imply here exactly? Why is this a “sign” of “deep involvement in a cult”?]
• Time spent using the internet for internet chat may increase
• Will demonstrate a "Saturday Sabbath" observance pattern in which the recruit will refuse to do any type of work or trading on Saturday.
• Disregard or disrespect for parents may increase [Let’s see now. This one makes it quite interesting. Just now we were told that the NCCG members are so Bible-crazy that they discard Christmas and start observing the Biblical feasts, that they stop using the word God to curse and observe the Saturday Sabbath. Two of the aforementioned are two of the Ten Commandments. Specifically:
  Commandment #3: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)
  Commandment #4: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Exodus 20:8).
  NCCG members, (all members, “deeply” or “shallowly” involved) I repeat again, take the Biblical word VERY seriously, or they wouldn’t be NCCG members (it’s mandatory for them to obey the God’s law, check their website for evidence, this one is all over the place). And yet, here is the next Commandment:
  Commandment #5: Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee (Exodus 20:9).
  Obviously a “deeply involved” member would keep this one in mind. Moreover, I admit I am honestly puzzled at how the author of this article observed how the members treated their parents BEFORE joining NCCG, how they treated them AFTER joining and compare and measure.]
• Attitudes of recruits of both sexes may change to be more in-line with male chauvinism [NCCG has been faced with this more than once and their stance was that they believe men and women are equal. The Bible does mention in more than one place that women must be in subjection to men and it does indeed make a distinction of roles (Genesis 3:16; 1 Peter 3:1-6; etc.)  but not of worth (Galatains 3:28). So it is a question of worldview and of how much one lives by the Biblical teaching or not. Nevertheless, I have never seen a women being treated as an inferior in all my observation of NCCG’s practices and trends.]
• May visit the compound for a religious holiday or other extended stay [The statistics here are poor. So very few people have visited C.C. Warren’s house because of their involvement in the group, no more than 5 or 6 during the last year. Everyone’s families knew of their involvement and what NCCG is, when these people were young. The chances of someone visiting C.C. Warren’s house, and that someone be younger than 30, to visit Sweden for religious purposes, without one’s parent’s knowledge, for an extended stay, are practically zero. I doubt it has EVER happened. Compare this possibility to the one of your daughter being raped if she wears extremely revealing clothes and drinks alcohol in a night club as a response to peer pressure. The latter is 100 times more potent and dangerous than a possible involvement in a destructive cult. Peer pressure is also much more PROBABLE. Not many people get caught up in actually destructive cults – definitely far fewer than those who get caught up in destructive “friendships”.

Recruitment for NCCG is often done over the internet (with the added possibility of phone calls or possibly voice-over-internet calls). Core members may be recruitable from any area of the world that offers a regular internet connection. The viewing of NCCG web sites (such as www.nccg.org, groups.msn.com/nccgcybercommunity, and others) is a standard starting point for involvement. This progresses into internet chat with high ranked NCCG members referred to as "deliverance ministers". If an individual proves to be susceptible to the recruitment techniques used within the internet chats, the intensity and dangerousness of the chat content may increase. Existing psychological problems in the individual appear to exacerbate the situation.

[What is this telling us? That the NCCG main website is a standard starting point of getting involved. This I can verify also. This website, which is now taken down for updating purposes, contains about 3,000 articles discussing the Bible, religious principles, science from a religious aspect, deliverance and the occult. However, the fact that it functions as such is not to tell us that it’s placed there as a “bait” but rather, something else. And I said this, because for the striking majority of those who view the NCCG web sites, “progressing into internet chat with high ranked NCCG members” is NOT what happens next, even if they report people greatly helped by the material they read. If progressing to deliverance session and “deep involvement” was the pattern, the NCCG would have around 2.000.000 members by now. Yet, the ones that this author is so “concerned” about are no more than 10 to 15 people. All this is not making much sense, now is it? The author really SHOULD revise what he has written about this subject, and definitely attempt to be more accurate as to what he reports as “patterns”. To my knowledge, a “pattern” is a process that is observed repeatedly by a sample large enough to suggest safe assumptions. At university, in research methodology class I was taught that you need at least 30 people to do statistic research on something and call it relatively safe (and even then, there are many factors to consider, and that’s why people study for a number of years, otherwise everyone would call themselves a “scientist”). 10-15 is not enough, obviously.

Anyhow, deliverance is NOT NCCG’s first priority anyway. The main website offers very few articles concerning deliverance (not more than 50 or 60) compared to the rest of the material. A person directly interested in deliverance might not place NCCG as their number 1 of possible churches to turn to.

The same degree of dangerousness within the internet chat does not necessarily develop throughout chats with all potential recruits. Possible reasons for this would be underlying mental stability preventing the dangerousness from progressing, or statistically, the person's gender (the most notable occurrences of dangerousness within internet chat has been noted to involve women). It is also possible that NCCG may recruit some people for core membership without intense "deliverance sessions" as described above, but these details are difficult to verify due to the small number of people involved.

[There are two facts which absolutely correspond to common sense that debunk the idea that the NCCG main website is merely a “bait” to recruit people into “dangerous involvement”. The first fact is that a great number of people have reported being helped and “having their eyes opened” by reading the material on the main website, but the striking majority of these people never joined deliverance sessions. The second fact is that C.C. Warren would have to be and extremely skilled, prolific and insightful schizophrenic to have built up all this work in order to draw people to himself to manipulate and control them. I say this because in each and every one of the 3000 or so articles, there is the message of love and obedience for God as a #1 priority. A person can lie for some time, but he cannot ALWAYS lie. No one would ever write 3000 articles on something they never believed, and all they ever wanted was to manipulate people. There are for sure better and easier ways to do that. On the contrary, an observer of this work would say that regardless the existence of God, the reliability of the biblical truth, the existence of Satanic Ritual Abuse etc, C.C. Warren seems to be absolutely committed to what he writes about and what he believes. And if he is so very committed to God’s word, then would he at the same time be dangerous and manipulative genius?]

"Deliverance ministry" is a system by which a "deliverance minister" interacts with the recruit, and they believe (essentially) that they are causing demons to exit the person's psyche. The "Deliverance" itself is expected to occur at the end of the session, and the "Deliverance minister" looks like the hero to the recruit (coupled with the spirit of "Yahweh").

[If you ask a minister what “deliverance ministry” is, they will tell you it’s encounter with a deity (Jesus) in order to “overcome demonic suppression”. Interaction between the minister and the “recruit” is obviously how the author defines deliverance ministry, and the author does not believe (essentially) that demons can enter and interfere with a person’s psyche. However, many Christians believe that (at least millions of Catholics believe in exorcism and that’s far more radical than saying a few prayers like it happens in deliverance ministry). Deliverance ministry is not something weird or odd for the people who take the Bible seriously. Also, if you take the Bible seriously, you definitely don’t claim that it was the minister who delivered you, but actually, Jesus. Like I said before, I have never seen someone who was effectively helped by deliverance ministry to consider the minister as some kind of hero, but in all cases, the person begins to worship Jesus Christ.]

Two internet chat and/or phone-based incidents with NCCG "deliverance ministers" were documented which appeared to coincide with a psychotic episode in the recruit. Both of these psychotic episodes contained indications that NCCG involvement had induced them. This web site author believes it is likely that there have been other such incidents.

[Just 2?! Before he said “these details are difficult to verify due to the small number of people involved” and I was getting encouraged for some objectivity! Before he also said they were actively recruiting people with emotional vulnerabilities and all the talk about being psychotic is based on 2 single events???]

Among NCCG members who are psychologically susceptible to being manipulated this way, NCCG makes heavy use of the following dangerous mental distortions: [Again, words out of context and without proof. “Dangerous mental distortions” is not an opinion, it’s a diagnosis.]

• an induced simulation of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). I have read that this practice is extremely dangerous, and people who have this done to them can have lifelong mental problems as a result. [Funny that… “I have read that…”. Sure, ok… WHERE? I’m getting convinced that not only does this guy isn’t an expert but he hasn’t even read a scientific document in his life. The phrase “I have read” says nothing. Was it a leaflet you read while waiting at your dentist’s? Nonetheless, I can understand what the author says here about induced simulation of MPD and I can also understand how it may indeed be dangerous if the person is not actually an MPD and starts believing that he or she is. However, I have witnessed deliverance sessions where a person demonstrates this behaviour more than once so here is what I have seen. There has never been one incident to my knowledge that one of the ministers SUGGESTED the existence of MPD. Also, if someone actually is an MPD, they very often report having unaccountable memory lapses and/or have observed through personal introspection that they feel as if there is “more than one of us”. People diagnosed with MPD by psychotherapists very often are aware of their alternative personalities, or some of their alternative personalities are aware of each other. Moreover, people who have suffered abuse in the past are at a striking percentage MPD’s. It is this kind of people who usually need deliverance sessions. As a result, the possibility that someone IS an MPD in such context is quite high. If the author here is suggesting that the people who report being so or having signs of being so should be discouraged to believe such a thing, I would guess that denying the existence of MPD might be as destructive as inducing its simulation.]
• an altered state of consciousness called "The Garden". "The Garden" appears to resemble a highly suggestive or perhaps even hypnotic state where vivid visualization and suggestion is used. Several people can be in the same "Garden", using communication over the internet as the base for a cooperative kind of suggestive state. "The Garden" is used for a number of purposes within NCCG, only one of which is encountering deities such as "Yahweh". [Highly suggestive: Does the author imply that what the NCCG leader does it to plant suggestive pictures in peoples heads to which they respond in a helpless state? People are being psychologically abused in NCCG? That’s one HEAVY allegation. Proof, please? Facts? Here are some facts which I have witnessed: when people were asked to pray in order to “see” the Garden, not more than 3 managed to do so, or claimed to have managed to do so (doing so is of course, up to theological discussion, in which I don’t care to enter now). No more than these 3 people have ever been “subjected” therefore to this. Secondly, no one was less able to function than usual in terms of typing their experience, their ability of organised speech, thought and emotion, to my observation. Thirdly, this happened for only about 2 weeks in autumn 2005 because so many people failed to “see” and frustration followed. NCCG made clear that the “Garden” experience is by no means needed or expected in order for one to be a member or participate in its activities. Indeed, NO ONE of the people who claimed to have experienced it was a member of NCCG.]
• Some of the most dangerously-involved members, including fringe members who are being groomed for core membership, believe that they receive visions and revelations directly from "Yahweh" (God). These visions and revelations may include information about the activities of enemy "satanists", among other things. [Nearly half of the female people I knew in my university time would base their relationships and future on zodiac signs. They would also condition themselves to believe that they ARE what the zodiac sign suggests. The “receiving revelation” from some sort of super-human force is such a common practice of the human nature, that if you believe in God you will expect it from Him and if you believe in the Mother Earth you will expect it from her. Also, nearly everyone associated with NCCG, and absolutely not just the people who are being “groomed” have claimed to have received revelation. So if you consider something like this dangerous (some do, but then you’d have to consider the other forms of “revelation” too) there really is no distinction between the supposedly “dangerously involved” people and everyone else.]

A number of members appear to be recruited into the relatively small core membership with the intention to eventually get them to move to the NCCG compound. A few appear to be expected to remain in their home countries and do a "ministry" there.

[Not one person has moved to the NCCG “compound” yet except its original residents. This indicates lack of observed material. How was the “intention to get them to move” observed?]

A trend has been noted for NCCG to recruit women in an effort to have them move to the compound to become additional wives for NCCG's leader. Some women are also recruited who are anticipated as potential wives for other single men who may be living at the compound. Persons 17 years old and younger have not at this time been noted to be a focus of these efforts. Above that age bracket, the ages of the women vary widely, with a higher proportion of them being in the typical cult recruitment age bracket (18 - 25) than other ages. There are indications that the "marriages" within this group will result in planned pregnancies.

[Ok, fair enough. Now some details. Has ANY young woman yet moved to the NCCG’s leader’s house? The answer is actually “no”. Where is the trend then? If NCCG has been trying to “recruit women… to become additional wives” they have failed tragically! Then, what other single men? The MAY be living at the compound… ok. ARE any single men living there or not? We need facts. All these bloated words, the suggested manipulation, the supposed “tragic stories” of the women who were “enticed” into becoming “additional wives” have actually never happened and this to me is quite interesting. Why would someone build a website claiming such a thing when such a thing never happened?]

Single or divorced men also appear to be a focus for recruitment into core membership, but they are fewer in number than the women.

[These last paragraphs, I think shout louder than any other. Before we were repeatedly told that involvement is in itself an extremely dangerous thing and that C.C. Warren wants to control and manipulate people. The arguments that supported these things proved quite unstable, if not useless. But here we are also told that C.C. Warren, a 52 year old man who has devoted his life to Christianity, is in fact after marrying young women, 18 to 25 years old and adding them to his supposed “collection of wives”. From what the author says and from my own observation, we see two different aspects that downright contradict one another. Either C.C. Warren is a horrible monster who devours people, or he has devoted his live to the God he believes and lives by exactly what his God says. If C.C. Warren is a horrible monster, he would never devote his life to a God that proclaims love and free agency, nor would he build and huge website based on this agenda. If C.C. Warren honestly believes in everything God says in the bible, then he can by no means be a horrible monster because Warren’s God tells him from beginning to end to love and care for people and do his best to help them come to that God. Also, we have seen that the author of this website is either imagining things or actually lying.]

NCCG has been noted to be willing to provide various kinds of physical aid and support in helping recruits overcome immigration obstacles in order to move to the compound. This type of activity appears to be relatively new in NCCG's history, and it's success as a policy is at this time uncertain.

One of NCCG's income sources is donations from internet located members of varying levels of involvement.


If you are reading this web site due to concern about the well-being of an NCCG-involved person, this web site author suggests that you proceed this way: [People take advice about their loved ones from experts. That’s what people do. Why does the author of this website suggesting that we should take HIS advice? Who is he? We don’t even know if he (or she) is male or female. I suggest you pay attention to his “statistics” that follow:]

1. Note your involved person's status as it matches up against the observed NCCG member demographic:
1. A unmarried female in the 18 - 25 age bracket is, as observed statistically [? Statistically? The sample is like 5 people. Good enough for your statistics?] within NCCG, the most vulnerable demographic for the highest level of core recruitment. This is the demographic for some women who are being psychologically manipulated and controlled through internet chat with NCCG's leadership, and are being groomed to move to the NCCG compound. A significant number [significant number? How many? 20 women? Or maybe just ONE? What’s this significant number?] of these young women anticipate becoming additional wives for NCCG's leader, but some may become wives for other men at NCCG's compound. The plans for the move to the compound may be hidden from family members and friends, and if the move to the compound is announced to the family, the real reasons behind the move are almost guaranteed to be withheld. [Ok so what we now know is that this NCCG leader has managed to convince a “significant number” of women to marry him and most of these women are between 18 and 25? Wow, what a lucky guy!]
2. Unmarried or divorced females of other age brackets (through middle age) have been targeted for the highest level of core recruitment (living at NCCG's compound).
3. An unmarried male, especially in the age bracket of 18 - 25, may be being recruited for the highest level of core membership, which can mean moving to the compound. Examples of core recruitment of older unmarried males do exist but it is less common than the 18 - 25 age bracket. [I’d like to see an example of this one, and I say with significant knowledge that such an example would be really hard to find]
4. A married male with a relatively normal marriage whose wife and family are not participating in NCCG seems to typically be targeted as a mildly-involved fringe member. [Wow, what a complicated trend… NCCG even plans its mildly-involved people. Is the NCCG leader a genius or what?] It should be noted, however, that the male could eventually become a core member of some level depending upon his eagerness and psychological vulnerability. [No one escapes from the claws of C.C. Warren!] The degree of marital strife caused by the male's new chauvinistic perspectives and religious rigidity has been seen to escalate to a point where this author would expect the relationship between the man and his wife to be damaged. If such a marriage breaks up due to this, it could be possible for the male to become a target for core membership (either off-compound or living at the compound), depending on his eagerness and psychological vulnerability.  Also, such members might be sending monetary donations to NCCG. [So to sum up, if you’re a married guy and get involved with NCCG, what will most probably happen to you is to turn so intolerably chauvinistic that your wife will hate you and you’ll break up and then you’ll be targeted for core-membership and then woe to you, my friend. They also eat people at NCCG, did you know that?]
5. A married male whose wife is psychologically either vulnerable or dependent on the male has a likelihood of eventually making a serious effort to recruit the wife. [At least she won’t be part of the wife collection of the NCCG mastermind] This web site author does not have direct source material on the outcome of this. [Obviously…] One couple which may have at one time matched this demographic are very deeply involved core members who do not live at the NCCG compound.
6. Regarding married females with relatively normal marriages: This web site author does not have good source material regarding this demographic. [But he has for the other categories?]
7. Regarding a married female in an unstable marriage: An example of core recruitment efforts of a person in this demographic may have been observed, but the source material is not clear on all of the details. The female noted in this case did not match the 18 - 25 year old age bracket demographic. [Just one person falls in this category. Apparently that’s the only category that corresponds to reality.]
2. If you suspect, based on the demographic and descriptions on this web site, that the individual may be being recruited for core membership: [A special just for the “victim’s families”:]
1. Especially in the case of an unmarried woman (and triply so for those in the 18 - 25 age bracket), confronting or directly approaching them with questions as part of your evaluation of their degree of involvement IS NOT RECOMMENDED.  Furthermore, you should not indicate to the individual at this stage that you have seen this web site (www.geocities.com/nccg_concern). [No and the reason why you shouldn’t do this is that if this guy manages to make you panic, there is great danger that the person you mention it to might point out to you that panicking in response to what a stranger tells you is something you might wish to reconsider.] If the individual has any form of access to your computer, you should remove the "history" entry for this web site from the web browser. If the involvement is very deep and plans to move to NCCG's compound are already underway, alerting the individual or NCCG's leadership of your concern could result in those plans being accelerated (if possible) or other actions being taken to interfere with your ability to help the individual.
2. If you cannot determine the level of involvement yourself, contacting the author of this web site is an option which may yield helpful information. [Can this website author determine the level of involvement for you? How? The “level of involvement” scale is his own invention. I would be surprised if an expert would ever be able to determine this. Is the author an expert?]
3. If the level of involvement is certain to be only fringe involvement, sharing of information about NCCG by concerned family members may be enough to protect the individual from deeper and more dangerous levels of involvement.
4. If the level of involvement has gone beyond simple fringe membership, this web site author recommends seeking professional help as soon as possible. The professionals who are helping you should contact this web site author for any additional information which may be helpful to your case. Confronting a deeply-involved individual without professional consultation is not recommended. NCCG members can be very deeply indoctrinated and be experiencing delusions and psychotic episodes and it may not be apparent to family members and friends. [What evidence is there for ANY of the above? Not indicate that you have seen this website? Because they will get scared and flee? What sort of relationship do you have with that person that you care for them so much as to conceal all kind of supposed “knowledge” about their “dangerous” involvement, and yet the person hates you so much that the moment you tell them they will do their best to run to their “cult leader”? Instead of hiding the evidence, going to great lengths to act the detective on your loved ones, showing utter disrespect for their personal lives and choices (and we are NOT talking about minors here), which will probably indeed turn you into some sort of abusive authoritative figure to their eyes (which I suppose is why the author here suggests you act in secret – what irony), why don’t you just try to see what NCCG is all about FOR YOURSELF? I am not advocating about how great or horrible it is, I only invite you to go and judge for yourselves. Sure, here someone says that it’s destructive, dangerous, seductive, and induces psychosis. But IS IT? Did you actually search the NCCG website to see what’s in it and what drove the person you worry about to it? Did you apply for membership at the NCCG Cyber Community, whose moderator by definition lets in every investigator of the group to join and see with their own eyes? (And the membership of the author to both websites is downright proof of this). If so, have you asked yourself, before taking such extreme measures as suggested in this article, if there is really a possibility that all these horrible things are quietly happening to someone you know? Did it cross your mind that the person who wrote the material in the nccg_concern website might exaggerate, be biased or worst of all, have an agenda to destroy someone’s life or reputation? Would you base your actions concerning your loved ones’ hearts and minds and beliefs on just ONE PERSON’S report?]

[Scientific-like and psychologist-like language does not make one’s statements valid nor does it give the person any sort of authority. So far, we have witnessed the author using the language that an expert on psychology/cults/religion/ministry/family counselling would employ. If you however, look at the page of this website called "debunk" which is found among the links for the people who are involved in NCCG already, you will see that the language shifts to that of a 20-25 year old angry man who is trying to plainly defame/insult someone. An angry 20-25 year old man COULD really easily use (imitate) the language of an expert, but a scientist/expert, would not burst into cursing and yelling as an angry young man if a scientific report was his objective. Educated people who practice the scientific knowledge they have acquired through extensive study are usually much more objective and controlled than this. Whether you will consider this person’s analysis and advice reliable concerning your belief system, your moral values, and your loved ones’ belief systems and values, is completely up to you.]